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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 02:17 AM
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Poll question: Are you comfortable with a president less wedded to ideology?
Choose one.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 02:22 AM
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1. I'm not only comfortable with it, I'm looking forward to watching it all enfold.
Edited on Sat Jan-10-09 02:23 AM by FrenchieCat
Glad, like the rest of Americans, I get front row seats! :)
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 02:48 AM
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8. Me too!
I've had enough hate to last a lifetime. I want some cooperation and maybe even some unity! If anyone has the ability to shrink the gap between Americans, it's Obama.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 02:23 AM
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2. Your poll question makes a strong statement.
Oh, you clever writer, you!

Recommended.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 02:26 AM
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3. Liberalism is rooted in pragmatism
FDR certainly belived that, as did Wilson and LBJ.

There are, however, many people representing single issue interest groups on the Left today that have no interest in pragmatism. It's all about them, their agenda and me, me, me.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 02:28 AM
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4. Well, guess the problem they have is that we didn't vote for them.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 02:30 AM
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5. dupe
Edited on Sat Jan-10-09 02:30 AM by Radical Activist
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 02:30 AM
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6. empowering people means
you have to be willing to revise your plans instead of sticking rigidly to ideology. It's one of the reasons I supported Obama in the primary over a more authoritarian Democrat like Hillary.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 02:32 AM
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7. Ideology should never interfere with good policy.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 08:28 AM
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13. "Good policy" should be one's ideology manifest. Otherwise, what is the point of the ideology?
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 10:36 AM
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15. There really isn't much of one. It is useful to have a belief system, but when
facts counteract it you change your beliefs, not the facts. No single ideology has a monopoly on good policy.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 11:04 AM
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16. Well, I'm thinking helping the less fortunate here, not whether the Earth is flat or round.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 12:13 PM
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17. Helping the less fortunate is pragmatic because it reduces social strain
and improves the economy.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 02:50 AM
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9. Less than what? More than what?
I am comfortable with a president less wedded to idelogy than Pol Pot.

I am uncomfortable with a president less wedded to ideology than Bill Clinton. (Used as an example becuse he was minimaly ideological and I wouldn't care for something even more "pragmatic" than Clinton.)
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 02:59 AM
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10. "Greed" isn't an ideology.
:shrug:
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 05:28 AM
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11. Standing for something is good...
It's a fairly nebulous thread-starter, but it seems to be championing Mr. Obama as someone who's not a fanatic. Sure, that's best, but if the choice is between someone who really believes in something and someone who tries to chart some kind of "safe" course, I'd actually prefer someone who stands for something.

Executives should be visionaries and leaders; legislators can come in many stripes: visionaries, agitators, peacemakers, accountants, etc.

The two most disturbing things about Mr. Obama are his habit of using religion to secure power and his deft maneuvering to avoid making enemies and to be able to sit on fences. The ongoing theory is that this is just a tactic to gain power, at which time he'll transform into a champion of everything good and true, but there's no real evidence of this. There's plenty of evidence of pragmatism or whatever else you want to call that.

Much as ideologues are an annoyance--like perfectionists--there's much to be said for a true firebrand. I have to vote ideologue.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 08:27 AM
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12. Not at all "comfortable".
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 08:29 AM
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14. I've seen rule of "the base" by "the base" and "for the base" the last eight years
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 12:16 PM
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18. The responses to this poll conflict with the general response on this board
to Obama's non-ideological, pragmatic decisions.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 12:17 PM
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19. I will judge him by his policies. n/t
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-09 12:44 PM
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20. What defines the political parties
IS their ideology. Any democrat WITHOUT an ideology that embraces universal health care, ending the war and leaving Iraq, no torture of prisoners, stabilizing social security and medicare, easier access to education, job creation, environmental protection, lifestyles, limiting big business' influence, etc. - IS NOT the kind democrat most of us voted for, imo.

I pick ideology, because these are the THINGS I voted for, not for a man who does what HE thinks is best, because even if he's right, we will feel snookered. Only time can tell.

It is laughable to say that some of us have a personal agenda - who doesn't? It's what makes people become Democrats, Republicans or Independents.

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