I think Cheney must be seriously ill

The evidence is mounting that Cheney is on the unavoidable decline that many heart patients fall into as time passes with no real effective treatments left for them. Cheney's heart muscle has been damaged over the years by heart attacks and the ability to increase blood flow is non existant given the inability to do a bypass. As time passes Cheney will move into heart failure. The wheel chair coupled with no real siting of Cheney without a podium to support him, makes me think he is in a late stage of heart failure. I guess, my point is to maybe lay off the Cheney jokes as they may well appear tacky sooner than we think.

I just hope he doesn't flat line during the swearing in...

sorry, I don't mean that in bad way, but if he is in bad a shape he should stay at home...

you can look relatively okay on the outside but the innards are all festering garbage.

He's one of the few people on Earth who deserve that.

If the worst I'm ever called is tacky... bring it on.

I wish him health enough to stand trial for his actions

Under H.W. he outsourced pentagon work

Under Clinton he was head of a firm that got the outsourced work (Haliburton / KBR)

Under W he lied to start a war and he and his friends made billions.

to all he views as enemies. Ironic that it's heart failure that will take his life.

I can't help but wonder how such a radically conniving,ruthless person come about. Clearly his family members love him. There must be something there. Is it simply the ability to separate the personal and public self that has led to his reign of terror?

It will be good to have him gone, I know that much. I just pray he somehow discovers and feels remorse for the pain and suffering he's inflicted on this world. Remorse and a conflicted soul are personal forms of torture.

But now, I completely turn my back on him and the Bush people. I want to start a new day with a heart full of hope and positive expectations.

Cheney might die soon. I use his own words: "So?"

I feel no sympathy for him. He has cheated our children out of their future. He has raped our nation and now his heart is giving out. So I'm supposed to care? Why?

Did he care when he set up to attack Iraq and kill thousands of American soldiers and Iraq citizens? Did he care about this country when he outed Valerie Plame, supported the unitary executive, funneled billions of tax payers money to Halliburton and Exxon?

Did he care that hundreds of thousands of people were dying because of what he did? All the death and suffering he caused merely to increase his wealth and power leaves me with no human compassion for him.

So I say again, Cheney might be dying. "So?"

He´ll probably conveniently ´die,´and ´posthumously´ be blamed for everything that happened during the Bush Admin. No need to pardon anyone!

and I am presuming all three are too old for transplants.

Until your seventies. How deep into your seventies is decided by the transplant center.

by the time he is ill enough for a transplant I doubt he would be viable.

I worry about the same situation your dad is in.

and was worried about some changes I saw. I am grateful for the time he got (it has been well over 20 years since his first heart attack) but I know that time is running out.

:evilgrin:

Not the giant *SPLAT* you're hoping for.

:)

Where a conservative needed a heart transplant and the doctors did the first transplant of a "bleeding heart" from a liberal into the conservative patient?? They were really funny. If Darth needs a heart transplant, I sincerely hope at least he gets new liberal heart!! I really think, however, when they open up his chest, they'll find no heart at all.

As for his reputation, he ordered it, he'll pay for it.

I have no sympathy for the man at all. He goes 8 years assisting the disgrace of my country in the eyes of the world and on Inauguration Day he's in a chair?

Kinda fishy.

The few photos and film clips of him in the past 12 months show a person in physical decline. The business about the wheel chair should be viewed in this context.

And I believe he's 67 now.

So?

:)

8 years of our country's history, he's well enough to bear the burden of his own disgrace.

When they reported yesterday that he hurt his back while moving some boxes that they were lying???????

What a stupid lie!! There's no way he would be moving his own boxes....I'm sure he has people to do that sort of thing. And he is not going to wait until Jan. 18-19 to move.

I don't wish him any harm since I believe in karma and don't want that pesky boomerang effect. I do hope though, that he isn't at the Inauguration.

He can rot in hell and have a long painful death.

A cheney defender...... good grief.

I see someone with a kind heart who believes in karma.
Why the need to be nasty?

Good grief. I hate the guy too. No name calling today.

the citizenry of same?

One thinks of Grover Cleveland in times like this. http://www.doctorsreview.com/node/430

Cheney's transgressions against others are as likely the precipitants to his medical condition as anything else.

The man is a bastard on wheels long before being one in a wheelchair.

I say let the historians start digging and have at the guy.

I feel NO pity for the bastard.

That was the last one, I promise. As a strong believer in karma, I agree with you; I never speak ill of the recently deceased, and I will not kick a man if he's on the verge of death.

I have nothing nice to say, however, so I will say nothing more.

Wasn't there a watergate accomplice, associate that died and became the fall guy, all the evils of the nixon administration were dumped in his newly departed lap?

I wish him a long, long time to really get what he did and to feel the most painful remorse possible for a nonhuman.

back muscle spasm is true, that it represents mourning. Low back pain is often associated with
mental health issues. Cheney could be very sad (and unable to express it)that he has to let go of
all his power.

And it's even more unettling if that's so because it kind of seals the deal on the theory of Cheney's megalomania.

I don't believe Dick and Lynn Cheney touched one moving carton or any roll of packing tape, etc. I expect hired folks did all the work, especially the heavy lifting.

I have no clinical evidence to prove Cheney a liar on cartons and moving but he's built an 8-year reputation as one of the premier liars in all the world, so I'm pretty suspicious right out of the gate.

The human heart, I'm thinking, wasn't designed for the amoral machinations Cheney has put his through.

over the dishwasher, emptying it, and my back went into incredible spasm. The most amazing thing,
was that I was thinking, just prior to my muscles seizing, was that I didn't want to ever move into
a 'retirement' community.

The people who sold us this house (and were neighbors/friends who took us in when our house burned down last year)sold their house last summer and moved into a retirement community. We had brunch with them recently, and she is not adjusting well.

Cheney might have been putting some things away that were in boxes, but there's no way I believe
that guy was moving boxes himself. No way.

Agree with you -- Cheney is likely too much of a Kingpin-type character to do any of his own manual labor.

Lower back pain is actually caused by pulling muscles by lifting things. Like boxes. When you're moving.

That's why the people at Lowe's wear braces.

Oh, and yes, I really love my mother. :eyes:

dialectical behavioral therapy...you know, things that work. But psychoanalysis has never been clinically demonstrated to be effective at anything but making psychoanalysts rich. Psychoanalysis isn't based on any kind of clinical studies or reasonable research. It's based on anecdotal evidence from Freud and Jung. They wouldn't be taken seriously if they were doing the same work today. At least, not without some decent data collection efforts.

I once heard a comedian (can't recall whom...I'm probably repressing it) describe psychoanalysis aptly. He said "Remember, Woody Allen was in psychoanalysis for 35 years, and he still married his stepdaughter."

isn't based on any kind of clinical studies or reasonable research shows a frightening lack
of awareness.

Aren't you in Chicago--or thereabouts? You might want to check out this website.

http://chicagopsychoanalyticsociety.org/

There are two psychoanalytic societies in Chicago, and the one at the link is the evolved society.

And an interesting paper exploring the idea of the source of low back pain.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/y6886m3r8ml70760/

take his family on a nice vacation in Spain, while I was barely able to pay my own bills. I was led through years of abuse, all because he was supposed to be the best. It took 6 weeks with a cognitive behavioral therapist for me to recover from the years of Freudian fraud. I filed a complaint with the state against the analyst, with the help of the cbt therapist. Nothing was done. The psychoanalyst is teaching quackery to up and coming frauds at the University of Illinois.

And asking me to take the word of psychoanalysts in proving that psychoanalysis works demonstrates the kind of circular logic that one needs to engage in to believe Freudian bullshit works. It doesn't, as cognitive behaviorists have demonstrated in study after study.

Psychoanalysis is just a very lucrative form of snake oil salesmanship.

But what do you care what I think? It's working for you, meeting its main goal.

It doesn't work.

He has been looking progressively more sickly the few times he has been in front of the camera. I believe in karma , what goes around, comes around and, for Cheney, it has come around, imo.

heart attacks before he became VP. He was not all that healthy then and it appears he has become progressively less healthy.

All this talk of "karma" is very disturbing because there are many extremely good people who die young because of illness. In addition, do you attribute Kennedy's cancer or Bill Clinton's need for drastic heart surgery to "karma"? Or, if you can't see it that way - why has Bush himself been, for the most part, extremely healthy?

If the OP is speaking of jokes about Cheney's health - I agree. Serious comments about things he did wrong are completely in order.

If only one of those heart attacks during say, the Nixon admin (where he was linked to Watergate and Nixon's power grab) or the Reagan or Bush 1 years (when he was like wise up to no good, setting us up for his reign with dimson) put him away so he wouldn't have been set free to do more evil in the present. Dick hasn't been in a vaccuum for 68 years and he didn't just get evil.

However to asssign 'karma' to his plight is a misunderstanding of the traditional hindu concept, which is far deeper and more eventual than many humans would like. If he comes back as a mosquito in his next incarnation because he was such a bloodsucker in life is an example of karma, his illness now is probably not.

edit to add: His sense of being hated by all humanity: priceless.

in cheney's case, it would be bad. It has less to do with his heart condition than to do with his actions throughout his life. I know too many with heart conditions and they live their lives with caring and compassion for others and their health benefits from that.

My comment was not a joke. I have no sympathy for the man, none whatsoever.

That way we can't see him kicking and screaming as he's being removed from power...:evilgrin:

ask into the health and well-being of the Iraqi (and other) detainees in black sites / Abu Ghraib whose detention Dick Cheney consented to.

Does the Kharma bus still stop there, or has that route been discontinued?

not so much.

how much human misery he's been directly responsible for for decades? Fuck him. He's a cancer on humanity. If he fucking dies an hour after leaving office, I'm gonna feel really cheated.

and leave it at that. The man is a monster, pure evil personified.

Fuck him. Good riddance. I believe he is in the wheelchair only as an excuse to not stand up during ovations and pay respect to our new President.

Being responsible for the degradation of millions more.

I'm not the tacky one in the room when he slouches into it. Nor is karma gonna retribute on anyone who in relief of his sense of passing says something catty, funny or nasty at his expense.

He's made it clear he's a big boy, in his immortal words I simply ask, "So?"

to have generated a whole lot of positive response.

I'm sure the cheering throngs of his supporters on DU will be along later to post.

Mr. Cheney is such an affable fellow. 'Fair' is in middle name. He's so opening and welcoming and forthcoming with information. He sets our minds at ease, does he not?

He gets along well with all those Senators and oil people. It really must be a tough job.

His wife is charming. No argument there.

And darn it, he's kept us safe from the terrorists.

He did. Dick Cheney shot a guy in the face.

And we can be.


Thanks for being kind.

let's get all the Cheney jokes in now while we can.

I mean, god knows...in spite of all the death and destruction he's inflicted on our country and the world, I certainly wouldn't want to look tacky or have to display fake sorrow when he's gone...



PS...I just hope that if/when he does kick the bucket, someone has the presence of mind to use a wooden stake and garlic on the body. Wouldn't want him coming back or anything...

And no worries about paying for it, either.

I dunno, somehow I find it difficult to feel sympathy for such a vile person and when he has medical care that a lot of my friends and family don't have.

Hate is not the opposite of love. Apathy is.

I can only feel sadness for him. He was a man who sought power for his vision of the world, a cruel, exploitative vision. Basically he worked all his life to stamp a boot into the face of people weaker and less ruthless than he was.

I think that, if he believes in a deity at all, it's Moloch, the fiery furnace into which believers used to throw their sons and daughters to their deaths. And I think his worship of Moloch has turned many people away from believing in any concept of God, thinking that all religions or concepts of goodness are as foul as his.

We will probably watch him decline and die rather rapidly. He's done Moloch's work, and Moloch does not reward his loyal servants; he consumes them too.

Many if not most of you want to take pleasure in his passing. I can only shed a tear or two for a life wasted in pursuit of the wrong cause.

And when he goes I will not joke about it either. All I can say is good riddance. He had absolutely no sympathy for the American people; why should we show any sympathy at all for this vile excuse for a human being. When Bush goes, I may "shed a single tear or two for a life wasted in pursuit of the wrong cause", but never Dick Cheney. He's dead to me already.

Heart failure happens most often as the result of a heart attack, which damages the heart muscle and makes it pump inefficiently. Because we know Cheney has had at least 4 heart attacks, it's fairly certain heart failure isn't in his future, but is something his doctors are trying to control with ACE inhibitors, Beta Blockers, diuretics, etc.

For the being seriously ill part.