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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:07 PM
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Rachel Maddow is making a GREAT POINT right now...
Since President Obama obviously knows that he won, as he told Republicans today (LOL) ~ WHY all the tax breaks in the stimulus package??

A third of the package is tax breaks, leaving a lot of infrastructure projects on the cutting room floor.

WTF??
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:08 PM
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1. Bipartisanship is just one more crackpot ideology
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:10 PM
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4. NOT
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:14 PM
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10. I stand refuted!
:rofl:
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:12 PM
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5. I tend to agree. Why bother winning if we're going to pass crap bills...
...just to be "bipartisan?"
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:28 PM
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16. Yes..We can take a lesson from how magnanimous the repukes were when they were in power...
Edited on Fri Jan-23-09 09:28 PM by BrklynLiberal
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:44 PM
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20. Call me crazy...
but maybe the provisions in Obama's stimulus package are included because he actually thinks they the right thing from an economic policy perspective.

Oh, aside from his call for post-partisanship, didn't he talk a bit about tax cuts during the campaign?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:59 PM
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23. If Obama and the Dems in Congress continue to enable and pass dysfunctional right wing policies
Edited on Fri Jan-23-09 09:59 PM by depakid
despite being warned by many notable economists- and the economy continues to tank, 2010 is going to result in a big wake-up call for them.

A 1994 like situation is not beyond the realm of possibilities- nor is a one term presidency.
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:42 PM
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19. Agreed.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:07 AM
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32. Wow, 72 hours. That's pretty quick for the drunk-on-power express. nt
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TTUBatfan2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:08 PM
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2. Because Obama said he would use tax cuts?
Don't remember the campaign when McCain claimed Obama would raise the public's taxes but Obama said he'd cut them for 95% of the people?
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 11:04 PM
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26. Even the left loses it's memory when it wants to make something
out of nothing. He ran on a cut taxes pledge. Why the outrage now?
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:09 PM
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3. Because we are still stuck with Democrats in Congress that either don't get it....
Edited on Fri Jan-23-09 09:13 PM by LakeSamish706
or are maybe not really Democrats at all.
These people need to get it through their heads that the Democrats have been in charge since November 2006 and are especially now. Quit playing nice, and start telling these Repugs to get stuffed and go sit in the corner.
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shoopnyc Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:14 PM
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6. DeFazio said that he would get blowback from this appearance...eom
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liskddksil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:14 PM
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7. Rep. DeFazio did great on the show
Showing that there is projects ready to go that are being shortchanged by this proposal.
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:14 PM
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8. And Peter DeFazio rocked!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:27 PM
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15. He sure did..
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:14 PM
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9. Did she miss the campaign? The tax cuts are exactly what he has said the whole time
Where has she been?
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:50 PM
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22. I may get creamed for saying this but Rachel has been a disappointment since she got her own show.
She lurches from irritating sarcasm ... to debbie downerisms ... to ill-informed pontifications.

No thanks.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 01:56 AM
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33. she lost me for good with the 'don't boo Bush' hand-wringing
For all those lost in the war, Iraqis and Americans, that man should be shamed every time he appears in public. He should be in jail, but if the Dems were to spineless to impeach, then booing him is the least we can do. Respect is earned and he didn't accomplish that task.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:16 PM
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11. I hope that Obama watches Rachel.. Infrastructure is soooo needed.
We need to compete in the 21st century. It may not be a bunch of desk jobs where people don't get dirty, but it is desperately needed.. and there is no reason it cannot be done in a green way. Just updating many of theses systems would save resources long run.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:20 PM
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12. tax breaks aren't all bad
Why is this such an issue? During the campaign Obama promised that would cut taxes for the middle class to hear some people you'd think these were exactly like the Bush tax cuts. I think after the last 8 years some here are going to let go the notion that wanting to cut taxes makes you a trick down Reagan wanna be.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:26 PM
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13. The point is that no economic policy crafted before September 2008 is worth much
Obama's campaign promises circa December 2007 or even August 2008 are irrelevant today.

New information changes things... or it should.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:29 PM
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17. If Congress wants to add more for infrastructure, they can do it
I've yet to hear Obama say it shouldn't be more than $825 Billion.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:26 PM
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14. She is VERY bright and insightful!
She is making Carl Bernstein look a little uninformed right now...
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shoopnyc Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:50 PM
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21. carl b is such a loser...
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:32 PM
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18. Obama promised tax cuts. Remember the tax cut calculator?
I'm sorry but Rachel went over the deep end this time. Sitting there on her ivory tower acting like a tax cut for any reason was the worst thing in the world. Hopefully Obama sticks to the part about RAISING taxes for people as wealthy as Rachel. How out of touch can she get?!
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 10:06 PM
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24. We need jobs more than a
Tax cut. I hope they re-do the math and find more money for infrastructure projects. That goes a lot further than a $600 tax stimulus.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 12:25 PM
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39. That's true and Obama is not giving a tax cut for the reasons Bush did
He's doing it solely to help people out--not as a stimulator although it might have somewhat of a stimulative effect. All the corporations got their f*cking bailouts, the American people deserve way more than $500 IMO (although that is not practical--it's always regular people who have to sacrifice, of course).
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 10:15 PM
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25. What income bracket is getting the tax cuts?
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 11:08 PM
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27. That Is My Question, Too
and while I'm sure it's been answered somewhere, I haven't seen the terms discussed here.

Obama's initial tax cut was for people making less than about 200k if I recall correctly. There have been claims bandied about here that Obama is going to cut or rescind taxes for corporations or upper-income taxpayers. Which one of these are we talking about here in using the TARP money, or is it none of the above?

:shrug:
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 11:26 PM
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28. "bipartianship only seems to work in one direction"
I don't know why we bother with it. Screw them.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 11:47 PM
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29. Maddow seems clueless to me sometimes
She was completely wrong when she was saying McCain was going to win and that America wasn't ready for a black President.

I watched her whining that Obama was including some tax cuts and not spending all the cash on the infrastructure. Well, duh, Rachel! He has to do a few things at a time. Funding for infrastructure improvements will be through SEVERAL stimulus packages, as Obama has indicated already.

Maddow doesn't do her homework sometimes... and it's pretty annoying.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 11:55 PM
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31. TALK ME DOWN!!!!!11!!!
I think you're being really nitpicky here!!
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 10:13 AM
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34. Rachel isn't perfect - that's for sure
But can you really blame her for being pessimistic and making some mistakes. Who doesn't?

I often get bored with her program because I'm its too late at night for me and I've noticed that COUNTDOWN is usually more cutting edge. But I'm glad Rachel has her own show and I hope it has a long and happy life.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 10:34 AM
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38. I Agree 100%. Sometimes I give her the First Five (mins) and then CLICK.
Annoying is the word. Me thinks she's been clipping her "press" lately.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 11:54 PM
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30. SHE's eating popcorn!!!!!111!!!!!!!!!
Governor Blago is speaking and she's eating popcorn!

:rofl:
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 10:16 AM
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35. Depends on WHO those tax cuts are for. If they are for low-to-middle income workers
Then they are appropriate. If they are for businesses who have kept or keep jobs here, then they are appropriate.

Otherwise, I would have to wonder the same thing. And the answer there is likely compromise speaks louder than words.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 10:19 AM
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36. The economic reason? Timing.
Say one wants to build a bridge. It may take a year or two to start pouring concrete. Only then do most of the workers find a benefit - a job.

Tax breaks put money in people's hands right away. The problem? We voted this government in and we did not put it in to give money to Republicans.
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relayerbob Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 10:23 AM
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37. Depends on who gets the tax cuts
A combination of both tax cuts (ie money going to the people) and spending (spur jobs) is required
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