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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 09:37 PM
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Republicans escalate their war on states, cutting stimulus aid to almost every state.
February 8, 2009

IT AIN'T FEARMONGERING IF IT'S TRUE....

Just today, the LA Times has a good report on the unprecedented pressure on state budgets right now -- pressure that will not be alleviated by the federal recovery plan because Sens. Collins & Co. believe state aid isn't stimulative enough. While state shortfalls will lead to painful cuts in practically every state, Nevada is poised to get hit much harder than most.

The Times report noted, for example, that Nevada is "facing the most serious shortfall," and lawmakers will have to cut a striking 38% from its state budget. The impact across the state will be both drastic and unavoidable, most notably in the state's public schools, which will soon face a 15% cut.

It wasn't surprising, then, that Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) criticized Senate "centrists" for cutting $40 billion in state aid from the stimulus package, noting that the aid, which appeared in the House version, was intended to stop states from "laying off cops and firefighters, money to help keep teachers going." Republican Sen. John Ensign of Nevada rejected Frank's comments, labeling the remarks "fearmongering." Indeed, Ensign seemed encouraged by the fact that state budgets, including his own, would have to be slashed, calling the budgets "bloated." He said, "What we should be doing is cutting back."

Got that? As the recession worsens, and government spending is needed to prevent more Americans from losing their jobs, a leading Republican senator whose own state is about to get pummeled, believes it's a good idea to "cut back."

I can think of a variety of ways to respond to this nonsense, but I think Matt Yglesias summed things up nicely:

The idea that it would be good for states to cut back in the midst of the recession is stupid. The idea that the recession won't, absent federal aid, lead to layoffs of state employees such as teachers and firefighters is also stupid. But the idea that it's simultaneously true that the reason we should eschew aid is that states need to cut back and also true that it's fearmongering to warn of layoffs is doubleplus stupid. What does Ensign think cutbacks consist of? States will be reducing vital services. The cutbacks will have the immediate impact of reducing the incomes of laid-off families and beneficiaries of state programs. That will have an additional impact on businesses where the newly laid-off teachers and cops used to work.

And the reduced level of service will have its own bad economic impacts. Cutting back public safety budgets will mean fewer cops on the beat. That means more crime which will further reduce economic activity. State cutbacks to child care subsidies will make it harder for people who lose jobs to find and accept new ones. The cutbacks to mass transit services that are happening across the country will introduce additional rigidity into the labor market and reduce patronage of businesses that people are accustomed to reaching via transit. And in the most severe cases, cutbacks in assistant to the severely impoverished will have a decades-long impact on the well-being of their children.

Sen. John Ensign is entirely comfortable with all of these developments -- those dreaded state budgets are "bloated," after all -- but doesn't want anyone to acknowledge this publicly. Pointing to reality is "fearmongering."

It's not enough for congressional Republicans to stand in the way of sound economic policy during a crisis; they also want to discourage everyone from talking about it.


$1.3 trillion later, economic disaster; supporters of Bush's tax cuts call the stimulus "too big."




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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 09:40 PM
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1. This is what Sen. Ensign calls "bloat" on the state budget
From the LA Time article referenced above:

Nevada resident Margaret Frye-Jackman, 71, was diagnosed in August with ovarian cancer. She had two rounds of chemotherapy at University Medical Center, the only public hospital in the Las Vegas area.

Soon after, she and her daughter heard the news on TV: The hospital's outpatient oncology services were closing because of state Medicaid cuts. Treatment for Frye-Jackman and hundreds of other cancer patients was eliminated.

Luckily, Frye-Jackman's gynecological oncologist, Dr. Nick Spirtos, decided to open a tiny chemotherapy center in his office's empty storage room.

Today, he treats Frye-Jackman there, along with about 20 more cancer patients who were dumped by the hospital. Frye-Jackman's care is paid for with Medicare and supplemental insurance, but other patients can't cover the cost of full treatment. The doctor has considered putting donation boxes in the lobby.

"If this is what it's like in Nevada, with cancer stuff closing, is it like that everywhere?" said Frye-Jackman's daughter, Margaret Bakes, accompanying her mother to the doctor's recently. "Are all the other states closing stuff too?"


Lives are in the balance here. And the Repubs like Ensign think it's just excessive state spending.

No place in hell hot enough to put these Repubs.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 09:45 PM
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3. Jeez....they don't care that they are playing with people's lives!
This is the information that should be on CNN and MSNBC all day instead of the stupid crap they talk about. Horrible.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 09:53 PM
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6. If you aren't rich enough to consume copiously, or strong enough to be exploited labor
the GOP wants you to just die.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 10:04 PM
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8. Republicans like Ensign are
uncaring assholes. The actions of many of them in the aftermath of Katrina was equally callous.

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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 09:41 PM
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2. Well I hope the people of Nevada remember Ensign the next time
they go to the polls. They should bombard his office with phone calls now!
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 09:51 PM
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5. and keep it up,
organize against him, find alternatives to run against him. These guys can't stand, and we can't let people forget.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 09:50 PM
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4. They're still working 'Starve the Beast.'
and where they do, we (President Obama, Democrats, we grassroots) have to sound off loud and clear; get rid of all the reps who argue and vote against such aid, FROM THIS DAY FORWARD.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 09:56 PM
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7. Perhaps the states should reciprocate in kind.
Especially in light of how banks receiving federal bailout funds are "adjusting" the credit of some states.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 10:09 PM
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9. Not altogether fair to blame the "Republicans".
You can also thank these Centrist Democrats for joining the Republicans to make this a "Bi-Partisan" effort:

Ben Nelson (D-NE)
Mark Begich (D-AK)
Tom Carper (D-DE)
John Tester (D-MT)
Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Evan Bayh (D-IN)
Jim Webb (D-VA)
Mark Warner (D-VA)
Michael Bennett (D-CO)
Claire McCaskill (D-MO)
Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)
Mark Udall (D-CO)
Joe Lieberman (I-CT)

There will always be enough "Centrist" Democrats joining the Republicans to protect the interests of the top 1%.

The Democrats need 60 votes?
Pfffftt!
The Democrats wouldn't change anything if they had a 90 vote majority.
All they would change would be their excuse.


NOW we have Your Children’s Money too !!!
And there is not a fucking thing you can do about it!
Now THIS is “Post-Partisanship” !
Better get used to it!!
Hahahahahahahahaha!


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 10:16 PM
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10. It's all the Republicans fault. This OP is about their idiocy. Period.
Edited on Sun Feb-08-09 10:17 PM by ProSense
If it wasn't for the idiots in the GOP, there would be no need to compromise. They need to go to hell.

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 10:19 PM
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11. The Democrats OWN:
1)The Presidency

2)The House of Representatives

3)The Senate

but it is ALL the Republicans' fault.
.
.
.
Right.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 10:21 PM
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12. The Republicans own this crisis. You want to give them your sympathy
start your own thread with this suggested titled: I don't blame the Republicans, they're wonderful.

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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 10:29 PM
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13. Why are you so supportive of Democrats who worked very hard to weaken the stimulus bill?

Tell unemployed DU'ers what a wonderful job those 15 Democratic Senators did in cutting 100 billion in spending for school construction, aide to our states and cities and other badly needed stimulus spending.

I'm tired of the worn out excuses made by apologists for conservative Democratic politicians who functioned for 8 long years as George W. Bush enablers and who now continue to obstruct the work of those who are trying to change things.

Have you no shame?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 10:32 PM
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15. "Have you no shame? " What the hell are you talking about?
Read and respond to the OP, and stop whining to me about my opinions, which you know nothing about.



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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 10:29 PM
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14. Would you like another helping of.....
...Bread & Circus?
Only these days, there isn't much bread.

I expect Republicans to be Republicans.
I don't blame a snake for being a snake.

I am a Democrat, and expect Democrats to be responsive to the need of the Middle Class, The Working Class, and the Poor.
When I see "Democrats" joining Republicans to protect the interests of the top 1%, I feel betrayed, and am furious.
The Republicans did not betray me.
The "Democrats" did.


So how much of a "majority" do the Democrats need to get something done?

"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 10:34 PM
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16. "I am a Democrat, and expect Democrats to be responsive to the need of the Middle Class"
I don't care what you expect. Go whine to someone else.

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 10:40 PM
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17. Just remember these names:
Ben Nelson (D-NE)
Mark Begich (D-AK)
Tom Carper (D-DE)
John Tester (D-MT)
Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Evan Bayh (D-IN)
Jim Webb (D-VA)
Mark Warner (D-VA)
Michael Bennett (D-CO)
Claire McCaskill (D-MO)
Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH)
Mark Udall (D-CO)
Joe Lieberman (I-CT)

They are the ones who sold you out.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 11:04 PM
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18. So true. So true.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 11:11 PM
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19. No, you remember them, they sold you out.
I will not waste my time.

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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 11:44 PM
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20. It would seem to me that this is the biggest mistake they have made.
They have finally hit their own people where it hurts. They are not setting in DC anonymously voting down some bill no one knows about. This one is up front. Example: Is the a single Californian who does not know about the states troubles?
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Baikonour Donating Member (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 11:57 PM
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21. Republicans don't care about states' power, or the Constitution.
Except the part that lets them buy guns.
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 11:59 PM
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22. My state is discussed in the posted article too.
It's getting grim, and I think it will soon to be a desperate situation. People are suffering already., and going hungry. Becoming homeless. Going without medical care. People will die. :scared:


Washington state's predicament illustrates the brutal reality lawmakers are facing in the hardest-hit states. Washington's budget gap for 2010 will total 18.5% of its general fund, making it the sixth-worst situation in the nation. (Nevada is facing the most serious shortfall, with a 38% gap; California's 22% gap is the fourth-worst, behind Arizona at 28% and New York at 24%, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.)...

The governor has proposed pay freezes and layoffs for teachers and other state employees, a $350-million reduction in funding for higher education, closure of 13 state parks, early release for low-risk prisoners, and a 42% reduction in the state's popular health insurance program for the working poor -- a program that provides last-resort coverage to 104,000 people.

The plan also would eliminate cash grants and health insurance for about 16,000 state residents who are temporarily disabled. The proposal wasn't some exaggerated public relations ploy to lure federal stimulus cash: In fact, it already factors in about $1 billion in federal aid. The reality has been sobering for a state that has prided itself on generously funded social programs.

"The cuts are incredible. They absolutely shred our healthcare system. I think you'll instantaneously see 60,000 more uninsured in our state," said Cassie Sauer, spokeswoman for the Washington State Hospital Assn. "They'll probably get sicker, and some of them will die."
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 06:40 PM
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23. The state cuts are proof that all the Repubs are interested in is
diminishing the effectiveness of the stimulus.




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