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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:05 PM
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So, if the documents are recreations of the originals
Then the person who did the recreation had to have been someone who had access to the Lt Colonel's private files. (Or were such documents placed in Lt Bush's private files as well?)

Hmmm... the plot thickens.
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private_ryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:06 PM
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1. if they're fakes
Edited on Wed Sep-15-04 09:06 PM by private_ryan
Bush got away with it because they will play the "they're fake" part.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:15 PM
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7. BushCo knows there are some embarrassing TANG documents
out there that he hasn't recovered yet or Pickles would have said, "These documents ARE fake." instead of "These documents are PROBABLY fake."
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private_ryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:17 PM
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9. PROBABLY fake
and fake are the same when it comes to the average person. They've heard it from the papers, stations, websites and now the first Lady says probably they're fake. The word probably doesn't make a difference in this case IMO.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:07 PM
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2. CBS seems confident that their source was credible...
so i wonder if the documents are real, but have only been seen by a handfull of people close to killian (excluding the secretary).
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:08 PM
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3. Right, whoever the source is --whether real or "re-created"--
apparently had access to Killian's files.

Doesn't seem to me they could have been in Chimp's files, as they were ass-covering memos.

But then, those fires or whatever that supposedly destroyed Chimp's files jumped around, perhaps.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:09 PM
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4. I think it's possible that he had thrown away the originals
from his file (maybe he was told to for instance?) and then recreated them himself at a later date because he wanted the information in his files.

Which would make them recreations but not forgeries.
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:10 PM
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5. That would also explain the verified signature on the documents. n/t
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:10 PM
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6. This is getting to be a very STRANGE story
No one will be satisfied now until the "truth" comes out.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:17 PM
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8. This is all very post modern
Edited on Wed Sep-15-04 09:19 PM by Politicub
with arguments about the construction of truth, and the meaning and formation of history.

Interesting times we're living in!

Ceci n'est pas une pipe, indeed!

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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:22 PM
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10. I don't think anyone but the White House could have faked the documents
Who else would have had the power to gain access to Killian's files that would have served as the source material for forged documents? The Bush people have probably collected a bunch of incriminating Nat'l Guard documents over the years, and had them stashed away.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:26 PM
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11. Listen, I heard Dan Rather's interview with Bush's superior...
...officer's secretary, who at 86 years old sounds a hell of a lot more lucid, coherent and together then most congress persons and she provided an eye witness account of what was said and what other officers apparently discussed openly about George W Bush's treatment. She also said on camera in the interview that whether these particular documents were authentic (at least the source documents from which these were photocopied) or just reproductions, the content and opinions expressed in them were those of Lt Colonel's. She stated further that he began to document these events in memo form to himself, essentially to have something that would absolve him of from future harm, in case something might come up regarding Bush's special treatment and apparent privileged status regarding his misuse of duties and total disregard of the rules. She said that Bush acted in a manner that set him above the rules that others were expected to follow.

This is an eye witness who I am sure would testify under oath and provide these as well as many other facts. It matters not whether the specific documents that CBS has obtained are copies of authentic memos created by this Lt Colonel or not, real ones do exist and I am convinced from what I've heard the real ones are as damning or worse then what has surfaced. Bush must be held accountable and taken to task for these violations which even though happened 32 years ago, clearly point to a behavior pattern of arrogance, indifference, dishonesty, and total self-centeredness that make George W. Bush an unfit person to hold any position of responsibility and authority, let alone the most powerful office in the world, that of the President of the United States of American. George W Bush can not be trusted as a leader to represent all of the American people, nor does he represent the interests of even a portion of America. He is a croony, a phony and a man who is fill of baloney!!!
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