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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 01:23 PM
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Krugman: 'Imaginary Notches' (for the tax challenged)
March 3, 2009, 12:38 PM

Imaginary notches

Oy. No, your income tax doesn’t suddenly shoot up if your taxable income (line 43 on 1040) rises one penny into a new bracket. To belabor the obvious, the tax code specifies marginal rates: your rate rises from 33 to 35 percent if your taxable income exceeds $372,950, but only the income above $372,950 pays the higher rate.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/03/imaginary-notches/

Krugman was responding to this:

Does ABC News understand how income tax works?

Published Tue, Mar 3, 2009
by Jamison Foser

ABC News reports on "upper-income taxpayers" who are trying to reduce their income so they avoid proposed tax increases on those earning more than $250,000.

According to ABC, one attorney "plans to cut back on her business to get her annual income under the quarter million mark should the Obama tax plan be passed by Congress and become law." According to the attorney: "We are going to try to figure out how to make our income $249,999.00." ABC also quotes a dentist who is trying to figure out how to reduce her income.

This is stunningly wrong.

http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200903030013?show=1

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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 01:25 PM
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1. The stupid is astounding. Or rather the greed is but I shouldn't be
Edited on Tue Mar-03-09 01:26 PM by Kdillard
surprised by either.
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Tampa Rob Donating Member (39 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 01:25 PM
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2. Lord God, how stupid can we get?
I wonder if news organizations really even do any research nowadays.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

TR
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 01:29 PM
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3. just proves that law and dental degrees
don't require any knowledge or understanding of finance or taxation
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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 01:30 PM
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6. Then you would think they would do the smart thing and ask
someone with that knowledge.
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 01:32 PM
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8. people seem to lose all intelligence when they are
presented with an opportunity to grab their 15 minutes of fame
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:20 PM
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16. Have they never looked at the Tax Rate Schedules? Here's a handy link.
Edited on Tue Mar-03-09 03:20 PM by flpoljunkie
http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm

For 2008, you can check page 92 in the 1040 Form and Instructions.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 02:48 PM
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14. That is weird. To get my biology degree I was required to take finance and business management.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 01:30 PM
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4. There is frequently an inverse ratio between taxable income level and those that do their own taxes.
People that have $50K or less in taxable income do their own taxes in overwhelming numbers.

People that have $250K or more in taxable income just pay someone else to do their taxes, and never bother to understand the tax code. Thus, they are prone to have knee-jerk chicken-little reactions like this.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 01:30 PM
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5. oh i think ABC and the attorney knew they were lying --
this is the PR push re: the tax cuts and the 250 tax 'hike'.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 01:36 PM
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10. Quite possible.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 01:31 PM
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7. Thats not a Krugman article
"by Jamison Foser"
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 01:33 PM
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9.  Krugman was responding to Foser's comment on the ABC news article, as noted.
Edited on Tue Mar-03-09 01:36 PM by flpoljunkie
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 01:38 PM
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11. Hey, don't save the stupid from their own folly.
But, true, we don't want them to cause the gullible to follow in the stupid's idiotic footsteps.
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old guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 01:48 PM
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12. I don't believe it.
The attorney and dentist are fictional characters invented for the article. Can you say "Joe the Plumber"?
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 01:56 PM
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13. A LOT of people in America believe this. They are not stupid.
Just extremely uninformed. And with the way tax code is discussed in this country it is no wonder. Really, how do regular people know that our tax system is based on a number of marginal tax rates by bracket. The 1040EZ is the only thing they experience with and in the back there's a nifty little tax table -- no mention of the marginal tax rate system.

Now, for a dentist or an attorney to think this, then sure, call them stupid. But for a majority of the American public we need to INFORM them of tax policy. I bet if we could just do that 1 thing we'd punch a hole in the last and only argument the Republican party ever had -- taxes.
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:03 PM
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15. good point
I haven't heard this explained yet and it could account for at least some of the opposition to the increase in taxes on the top 5%.

It probably seems so completely obvious to the folks in Washington that it hasn't occurred to them to clarify how marginal tax rates work.
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