Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

If you know anybody who is "tax code challenged"...

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:00 PM
Original message
If you know anybody who is "tax code challenged"...
And thus doesn't understand how Obama's tax plan affects them, point 'em to my blog
(http://damon-whatthehellishethinking.blogspot.com/2009/02/what-is-so-hard-about-this.html), where I lay out the basics.

A sample:

Let's say you're a single person, and after taking ALL of your deductions, you're left with $265,000 in taxable income. First, congratulations! You made more than 98% of Americans make! (FYI - average American salary is $40,690/yr - before deductions.)
Now, about your taxes under Obama:
The top rate will go up to 40% in 2011, when the Bush-era cuts expire. Most folks assume that you pay the 40% on ALL of it.
Most folks are wrong.
(snip)
(under Obama)
You pay 10% on the first $8,350; $835
You pay 15% on the next $25,600; $3840
You pay 25% on the next $48,300; $12075
" "28% " "$89,300; $25004
" "33%" "$78,450; $25880.50
And 40% on anything over $250,000. $6000.00
TOTAL TAX: $73,634.50

Now let's compare this to how it is now for your taxable income of $265,000:
You pay 10% on the first $8,350; $835
You pay 15% on the next $25,600; $3840
You pay 25% on the next $48,300; $12075
" "28% " "$89,300; $25004
" "33%" "$93,450; $30838.50

TOTAL TAX: $72,592.50


Feel free to comment, poke around, etc.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:07 PM
Response to Original message
1. Shameless, self-pimping KICK!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:08 PM
Response to Original message
2. Well done!
K & R'd!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:18 PM
Response to Original message
3. Too few brackets.
What the hell is the deal with that jump from 15% to 25%. It's ridiculous and makes no sense at all. We need more brackets so that we can build more progressivity into the system.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. true, but how it is.
I pulled the brackets from here:
http://taxes.about.com/od/2009taxes/qt/2009_tax_rates.htm,
which I verified with the IRS website.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. i know.
i guess the problem is that we don't want to increase the tax burden much on those who don't fall into the 25% now. but it's hard, because it shouldn't be so big a jump all at once for people making so little.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:40 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. You'll not find me arguing on that score.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:22 PM
Response to Original message
4. I don't know anyone who isn't "tax code challenged."
Even Geitner is tax code challenged. This little snippet is easy to understand, but that's about the only thing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. This is basically intended for those who think...
...they have to pay 40% on every penny if they make over $250K.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. People with that money rarely "do" their own taxes... No wonder
they're confused...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. Exactly -
Edited on Tue Mar-03-09 03:52 PM by damonm
which is why the need for them to get "edjamacated".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 04:07 PM
Response to Original message
11. I believe this is incorrect. The top marginal tax rate today...
Edited on Tue Mar-03-09 04:09 PM by cottonseed
of 35% is applied on taxable income above $360K. This would be increased to 39.6% on taxable income above $250K.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. You're correct...
Edited on Tue Mar-03-09 04:10 PM by damonm
but that's inapplicable in the example I give.
35% is that top marginal rate, and doesn't kick in until the $330K you correctly cite.
However, my example was at $265K taxable income, and mentioning the higher marginal rate would cloud matters that I was aiming to clarify.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. You're right. I got lost in the table formatting.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 04:24 PM
Response to Original message
14. Don't forget to add in FICA tax on all income, not just the first $100K.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. Again true -
but, as I've said, I'm trying to make this as simple as possible.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 05:38 PM
Response to Original message
16. COOL - I had a lurking freeper comment on this!
Here's his comment:
I'd rather they keep the $1000 and use it however they want. They would do more for the economy as individuals and keeping it out of the hands of the crooks in DC is always a good thing.

Besides, I don't believe Obama when he says he's only going to raise taxes on the wealthy. He's lied so much over the course of the last 2 years, as has the Democratic party, I don't believe anything they have to say.

As someone who earns well over $500K/yr, I will continue to shelter the income that I can, and the rest will likely cause some creative bookkeeping on my part to reduce my tax load. Democrats/liberals hate the poor, homeless, widows, and orphans, so I will use the money I retain as a result of this to help them in their time of great need.

Skinner


And my response:
Skinner,
That's assuming, of course that they actually put that $1000 into the economy - history shows they tend to do the opposite. On the other hand, governmental stimulus (foodstamps, etc.)has been shown to put about $1.50 back into the economy per dollar spent, where upper-bracket tax cuts have only returned about 50-70 cents per dollar. I'll take the better ROI.

Not believing Obama is your choice, and you have every right to do so, but fact augurs against you there - he made it a centerpiece of his campaign, and going back on that would carry a MONUMENTAL price tag in political capital. As to "lied so much...the last 2 years", facts are VERY much against you - in the last 42 days, he's done exactly what he said he'd do.

Go ahead and shelter what income you can - totally American, and I'd have been shocked if you didn't.

Your assertion that "Democrats...hate the poor..." has no basis in fact whatsoever. Perhaps if you stepped out of the Limbaugh Hannity/Savage echo chamber, you might see the world as it actually is, as opposed to the fantasy that the Right would have you buy.





Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 08:40 PM
Response to Original message
17. It's an extra 5%. $5 per $100 earned. They get $60. Gov $40.
If they want to piss on their client list because they used to get $65 and now they get $60, man, what business are they in.

They're as dumb as toast and I'd like to find a new business opportunity.

"I won't take that $500,000 job because I'll make $100,000 and the government under Obama will leave me $60,000 where it had to be $65,000 under Boosh and McSame. So go away prospective client!"

"HEY! Lookey me over here!!! I'll take the $500,000 contract for ya! I don't mind making an extra $60,000."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr 30th 2024, 10:02 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC