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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:43 PM
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RICH MORONS DECREASING OWN INCOME....

RICH MORONS DECREASING OWN INCOME....

When it comes to policy issues like the federal tax code, it's easy for people to get anxious and confused. Ideally, we'd have professional journalists and responsible news outlets that can help the public get the facts they need.

In reality, however, we have a few too many reports like this one from ABC News' Emily Friedman.

The premise of the piece is, on its face, odd. ABC News found wealthy Americans in the top 2% of wage earners who are, believe it or not, actively trying to figure out how to lower their income. Apparently, these folks have heard that President Obama wants to raise taxes on those who make more than $250,000 a year, so ABC spotlighted some of these folks who are seemingly desperate to get to below the threshold.

One lawyer in Louisiana said, "We are going to try to figure out how to make our income $249,999.00.... We have to find a way out where we can make just what we need to just under the line so we can benefit from Obama's tax plan. Why kill yourself working if you're going to give it all away to people who aren't working as hard?"

Jon Chait described this as possibly the dumbest news report he's ever seen.

Now, the obvious here is that the tax code doesn't work that way. A tax increase effects the marginal dollar that a person gains. That's means only every dollar over $250,000 is taxed at a higher rate. Obama is not proposing a tax system whereby somebody who goes from $249,999 to $250,000 suddenly becomes poorer. Nobody has ever enacted a tax hike like that in the history of the United States. <...>

The article then quotes a financial advisor who explains the way that tax brackets rates work, but then quotes a right-wing business professor and the subjects of her article fulminating about class warfare. Pretty clearly the reporter started off on her mistaken premise, found some subjects who shared her ignorance, and then came across a financial advisor who gently corrected her. But, instead of nixing the collosally uninformed article, or writing a different kind of article ("Rich Morons Decreasing Own Income Due To Lack of Tax Code Knowledge") she instead plowed ahead with her initial premise.

Jamison Foser, who called ABC News' report "stunningly wrong," also explained:

The ABC article is based on the premise that an individual's entire income is taxed at the same rate. If that were the case, it would be possible for a family earning $249,999 to have a higher after-tax income than a family earning $255,000, because the family earning $249,999 would pay a lower tax rate.

But that isn't actually how income tax works. In reality, a family earning $255,000 will pay the higher tax rate only on its last $5,001 in income; the first $249,999 will continue to be taxed at the old rate. So intentionally lowering your income from $255,000 to $249,999 is counter-productive; it will result in a lower after-tax income.

The people ABC quoted don't seem to understand that. Worse, ABC doesn't seem to understand it, either.

There's no excuse for journalism that's this bad. Americans need professional news outlets that debunk misconceptions like these, not fuel the fire of ignorance.


Morons!




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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:45 PM
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1. The things people will do...
To keep from doing the right thing! They are cutting off their noses to spite their faces... dumbasses.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:46 PM
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2. There's no excuse for journalism that's this bad, but there is a purpose!
And that's the saddest part. We are being forced fed propaganda for the sake of the Nation's top 2%, and at our peril. The media is treasonous!
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:57 PM
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14. Agreed
The accountants of the rich have always worked to lower their declarable income. This is nothing new. If however they are actually cutting off their noses to spite their face, by actually earning less than that shows stupidity. It is not as though the President is proposing penal tax rates of 90%. US Income taxes will still be amongst the lowest in the World.
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:50 PM
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3. We should just push the wealthy to kill themselves outright. That way, they'd save a fortune
on taxes.

Then, we can steal all their money with the death tax after they are gone. shhh. Don't tell anybody.
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tosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 03:56 PM
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4. Let me guess:
The Louisiana attorney quoted in the ABC report is in a personal injury practice.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 04:03 PM
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5. They do realize that it applies to income above the $250,000 threshold, right?
They realize that it's not the whole $250,000, right?
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Mariana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 04:27 PM
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7. There are a LOT of people who don't realize that. nt
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:53 PM
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12. No they do not. It's astounding how few of those making more than $250K actually do their own taxes
They instead pay someone to do it so they won't have to concern themselves with actually learning how they are taxed.

So yes, they do not understand that it's a 4.6% increase only on the taxable income amount ABOVE $250,000.
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 04:06 PM
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THEIR problem -
I lay it out in my journal and blog for the "tax-challenged".

We gotta do the educating, folks - the MSM sure as hell won't!
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 04:06 PM
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6. I love how the lawyer assumes he makes more money b/c he works harder
Because poor people never work hard. Ever.

What a dick.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:38 PM
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9. Amazing isn't it? n/t
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 04:32 PM
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8. "Why kill yourself working if you're going to give it all away to people who aren't working as hard?
" That is my favorite quote...... :banghead:
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:47 PM
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10. Unfortunately someone told me that right here on DU yesterday.
We need to start with educating our own.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:23 AM
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17. Now that's shameful. One would normally expect better. nt
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:47 PM
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11. Truly, a fate worse than death itself. nt
:sarcasm:
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:55 PM
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13. who are these people who aren't working as hard? are they enlisted military folks
who aren't "working as hard" in iraq and afghanistan?
um, no...our hard working fellow is using code language which means "those people." those poor people, those black people, etc. unfortunately, i saw that same line in a post a DU today :argh:
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 08:06 PM
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15. It's amazing how many rich morons are out there...

many don't even seem to get the fact that Bush caused the current economic mess.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 09:20 PM
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16. It's an extra 5%. $5 per $100 earned. They get $60. instead of $65.
If they want to piss on their client list because they used to get $65 and now they get $60, man, what business are they in.

They're as dumb as toast and I'd like to find a new business opportunity.

"I won't take that fourth $500,000 job this year because I'll make $100,000 and the government under Obama will leave me $60,000 of it where it had to be $65,000 under Boosh and McSame. So go away prospective client!"

"HEY! Lookey me over here!!! I'll take the $500,000 contract for ya! I don't mind making an extra $60,000. Heck, I'll take on five of them just like it."
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shagsak Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:37 AM
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18. "He'll tax the rich for the health benefits everyone else wants."
Morici says that he believes Obama's tax proposal could spark a kind of class war. "What Obama is doing is pitting the poor against the upper middle class," said Morici. "He'll tax the rich for the health benefits everyone else wants."

Health benefits everyone else wants. Seems like health benefits is more of a "need" than a "want". I want a new flatscreen TV. Not, I want to get that bypass surgery. How friggin oblivious can you get.
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