We were thisfuckingclose. Do Americans bloody realize it yet???

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross."

Yes it bloody well was and did.

"Patriots" my fucking ass.

Gee, I wonder what the MFing rightwingnuts would have to say if President Obama were to uphold George W. bUsh's "unitary executive" crap. Think they'd mind the loss of the 1st and 4th ammendments? Think they'd be bothered about Pres. Obama's right to name any US citizen he wants -no proof required- an "enemy comnatant" to be "disposed of" as he wishes? Think they'd still love the troops if Obama ordered those troops to kick in freepers' front doors and drag their families away?

We already know the rightwingnuts are fine with torture; but I wonder...would they be so sanguine if Pres. Obama had the legal right to order anyone tortured he wanted to?

Holy fucking hell we came close.


Next time, it may not be such an obviously incompetent stupid asshole like George W. bUsh. Wake the fuck UP, America.

for pointing out what we now know was the truth

It was just too obvious to anyone whose brain hadn't been turned into oatmeal. Yet, we were made to feel as if we weren't quite right.

"Nothing like that would ever happen in America."

"Oh! No! You are one of those conspiracy theory nuts!"

It feels good though to be able to say, "I told you so!"

when McClellan let it slip that fauxnews and the shrub's administration had direct contact to stay on message (this was last year when McC was out selling his book). So Olbermann asked Rachael something like, "don't you feel about 10% less paranoid, having heard someone admit it out loud?"

That is exactly how I feel.

I heard that they have found a delete mechanism inside the diebold machines that allows them to delete audit tapes,
we were right about the stolen elections, I wonder if it will come out now or in 20 years time. The Green Party will go down in history as the ones that stood up and challenged the chicanery but the insiders were too powerful.

I include this bit of info for the newcomers, many DU'ers could write volumes on this subject including Green Party voter.

Auditing logs are required under the federal voting-system guidelines, which are used to test and qualify voting systems for use in elections. The logs record changes and other events that occur on voting systems to ensure the integrity of elections and help determine what occurred in a system when something goes wrong.
"Deleting a log is something that you would only do in de-commissioning a system you're no longer using or perhaps in a testing scenario," said Princeton University computer scientist Ed Felten, who has studied voting systems extensively. "But in normal operation, the log should always be kept."
Yet the Diebold system in Humboldt County, which uses version 1.18.19 of Gems, has a button labeled Clear, that "permits deletion of certain audit logs that contain — or should contain — records that would be essential to reconstruct operator actions during the vote-tallying process," according to the California report.

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2009/03/ca-report-finds.html

I learned so much through reading and research on manipulating elections during 2000 and 2001, it was with shock in 2004 that I thought I could actually engineer the theft of an election if I were so inclined. That is how easy it is to do.

I don't think there is any question in many Americans' minds that George W. Bush* with an assist from Karl Rove engineered the theft of the 2000 and 2004 elections. Yes, I know it is a small thing to put that asterisk after his name, but I will remind people of this illegitimacy as long as I continue to refer to Bush*.

Sam

useful than talking to the dog.

kept saying, more or less, "Now Carol, if we were that close to being a fascist dictatorship, don't you think our media would mention it?"

And she was asking that question seriously. (A very professional person, top administrator at a university in the MidWest.)

a "conspiracy theorist". And it still goes on, just not as much as it used... gee, I wonder why?

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/2002/06/18_Helicopters.html

Where Have All the Black Helicopters Gone?

Clinton Conspiracies vs. Bush Realities

June 18, 2002

by Dwayne Eutsey

"If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." - George W. Bush, December 18, 2000

As alarmist as conservatives were during eight years of Bill Clinton's presidency, when nothing more dangerous than oral sex in the Oval Office posed a threat to American democracy, it puzzles me that they are so silent now that our civil liberties are actually being stripped away daily by the Bush administration.

With the exception of a few conservatives like Alan Keyes, few on the right today seem as hot and bothered by the apparent dictatorial nature of their unelected president as they were by those paranoid fantasies they had about Clinton throughout the 1990s.

I know it's like trying to recall a psychotic episode, but I'm sure you can recall the delusional conspiracy theories that fueled the vast right-wing propaganda machine during the last decade. Remember when Clinton was about to declare martial law in America after instigating a false national emergency? Remember when his legions of blue-helmeted minions from the UN were flying the skies in their sinister black helicopters?

MORE...

You see, its okay that the shrub was a dictator, because he was chosen by god. Obama on the other hand is a secret non-American Muslim, who was placed in office by ACORN.

which must be how they felt. But I am able to see the danger in allowing this to continue in case someone I feel might abuse it comes into power again. I think that is one of the major differences between the Left and the Right (thought).

they simply don't recognize how gullible they have been on both Bush and Obama. Their crazy ACORN claims take the cake. Why to hear them tell it ACORN is under indictment in several states for voter fraud. They also blame them for the mortgage crisis. Gullible?

Too late LtD. Too late, I'm afraid we've hit the iceberg. :(

...but the day Bush was selected, I shook my head at his persona and said "He cannot govern, he can only rule."

I knew right away that they stole the election for a diabolical purpose.

... and Moyers was the one who broke the story by interviewing the whistleblower.

President Obama gives me great hope that we can go a long way toward cleaning up BushCheney's vomit, but I retain the fear that there is something essential about this nation that we may never be able to regain because the Bush Junta pushed us so far over the line.

Still, with Obama we stand a chance, while with McCain-Palin my belief is that the country we believe in would have been gone for good.

Hekate

If mccain/palin won I would have left the country.

You are right, with McCain-Palin, the country would have been gone forever. Now, with Obama, we stand a chance to correct the wrongs.

I couldn't believe my eyes.

:shrug:

the rightwingnuts; we don't blindly march in lockstep and support Party Uber Alles.)

Yes I know that sounds stupid, but I haven't seen anything to indicate that the judicial and the legislative branches are putting the brakes on the executive branch.

:shrug:

like we did the bush coup..that's a good use of time. Jeeze..we are so fucking fortunate to have dodged another fascist bullet and you're sniping about what powers Obama may or may not have? Big Bad Scarey Obama.

The power that the executive has amassed over the last 8 years needs to be rescinded.

on edit: I just read post 107 & it makes a lot of sense.

What in the hell is he waiting for? That's what I want to know.

Nothing has been done to fix this yet.

just before leaving office.

Information is in the video here: http://harpers.org/archive/2009/03/hbc-90004488

Obama have those powers that King George had. Obama's a Democrat, and he's black. Can you imagine? :scared: :sarcasm:

a constitutional crisis because Obama isn't a natural born citizen - something they can't prove but still insist on.

I wonder if they think Bush trashing the constitution was a crisis. I'm guessing not.

I really do not wonder why.

There is only one answer.

I kept having this arguement with people asserting the "unitary executive" theory as well. Bush had a bunch of opinions from his pet legally trained parrot. All well and good except that those opinions do not constitute law. Laws are made by statute or judicial decision, they are not formed by the opinions of lawyers, no matter how eminent.

The "unitary executive" was a theory, the Yoo memos were an opinion. Neither constitute laws, neither grant the presidency any powers. Obama doesn't have those powers because Bush never had those powers. Bush wasn't excercising the powers of his office, he was breaking the law and it was his incredible (and baffling) good fortune that no-one called his bluff on the worst parts of it. Law students learn the details of how laws are made in great and tedious detail and these were NOT laws, they were not ever granted to the office, they were simply crimes, from first to last. Since the Bush presidency did not have those powers, nor does the Obama presidency unless and until the office is specifically granted those powers either by the legislature or by the courts. And, for the record, the opinions Yoo put forward are so flagrantly in violation of both the letter and the spirit of the Constitution that teh chances of the courts upholding them are virtually nil.

For the record, this is also why I am so passionatly in favour of investigating, indicting and, if found guilty, imprisoning those officials behind these policies. They were illegal, the memos amount to no more than a legal figleaf of ass covering and there is simply no way that any person with a scintilla of legal training could have thought otherwise. Crimes were committed, they must be answered for. If teh Bush admin think their actions were justifiable, fine. Give them their day in court and let them try to justify those actions.

CLAIMING you have powers doesn't make it so.

We killed millions of innocents during Bush's reign of terror.

We took away the liberty of thousands of others without due process.

We tortured our own citizens and those of our allies.

We undermined a thousand year old rock-bottom principal of law, Habeus Corpus.

It WAS Fascism. We did go there. I know it for what it was and I knew it at the time.

We must teach our children.

Bush should have been hanged as a traitor to this country.

, what do you know. :sarcasm:

after Bashir. I can dream.

Do you really think they are going to give up or not keep trying to control things?

And I'm still waiting for Obama to overturn ALL of * & Cos unconstitutional dictates.

Still waiting.

The fight with these types never ends.

Maybe President Obama needs more time?

:applause:

on GD about the possibility of W declaring martial law and naming himself President For Life. I got some shit for it.

I don't see where I was too far off, given these very early revelations into the Bush regime's systematic spitting on the Constitution.

I have always been wary of the righties who claim us Democrats are not patriotic and hate America, when it is the GOPS who have tried repeatedly to destroy our rights and ruin and enslave the country.

I have no desire to see the GOP to survive as a viable political party.

mark

the possibility that once it became evident that Obama was likely to win the election that Bushco cut a deal - as long as investigations were not pursued by the Obama administration they would allow a peaceful transfer of power...otherwise all bets were off. Might help explain Obama's reluctance to push for investigations now.

Imagine a terrorist attack around, say, the Oct. '08 timeframe...and the powers at the disposal of Bushco at the time. I truly don't believe your fears were out of the realm of possibility.

was only half kidding.
That combination of stupidity, greed, fanaticism and "religion" is very scarey.

One of the reasons I own guns is because of people like Mr. Rove in government....might be foolish, but it makes me feel a little better.

mark

That's why the Bush cartel suspended guaranteed Constitutional rights.
Slavery is freedom. Orwell warned us.

And I am also a firm believer in MIHOP. I really never thought we'd never be free from the evil vice grip of Rethugs. I think the only way it happened was due to the massive hatred of bush and Darth.

NEVER FORGET AMERICA! We truly were "this" close.
:nuke::nuke::nuke:

when Teresa Heinz Kerry answered a heckler repeatedly screaming "4 more years" with "4 more years of Hell". The media knew parts of what happened, but they tried their best to preserve the semblance of normalcy when things had gone completely off kilter.

Why they went in the opposite direction, somewhat, is indicative of the degree of the human outcry they were undoubtedly being bombarded 24/7 with.

Without that, I'm not certain we would have won. If McCain had been stronger on economics, or if Wall St. & the housing market were still cruising along, we could easily have lost. After 8 years of Bush/Cheney, 46% of the voting population still voted for McCain/Palin! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Right after the election there was an article that suggested that the repubs realized what a shit pile they've created, so they let the dems win. Once the dems get things half way fixed up, there will be more to loot again & the vampires will be back. I wish I'd saved it cuz it might be more true than we realize. It's a never ending battle with these types. I wish we could cast off this blight on our species. We keep fighting the same old fights over & over.

Means we can never let up in our pursuit of a decent, i.e. Democratic, government.

For those who think the repubs are a dying breed, I say, 'The next generation of barbarians is waiting at the gate.' They may take a slightly different form - if they're smart they'll shake off the religious zealots - & even a different name, but their vile & corrupt nature will remain the same.

is what the history books will tell our children about the Bush regime. It will be diluted over and over again until he looks like some war hero. It will, sadly, but surely be just another conspiracy theory until actual indictments and sentences are handed.

By our own Government had been removed, and all the mechanisms of Unconventional Warfare were now fair game to be used against US!. We were prodded and poked though media, economic and political means to make us subservient and more controllable. We were slowly fattened up then then eviscerated in the name of profit and control. The sad thing is that this was all planned, and the perptrators have gained meaningfully throughout, and will continue to do so again through the next "Business" cycle.

Perhaps thay wanted a revolt that didn't happen. Who knows what these idiots were up to, but we will have to settle for Massive theft of the Treasury, the destruction of Diplomatic power, and the utter annihilation of the U.S. Economy.

I think it's just a distraction and cover for what they wanted to do in far away lands though. Look at the chaos worldwide and marvel at the scope of the carnage.

The current rhetoric from the right is disturbing. News of fertilzer being stolen, radical voices proclaiming insurrection, and that idiot Limbaugh fanning the flames, stirring up the pot of easily led drones to do something stupid. I'm sure that they hope Limbaugh is arrested for sedition, because the opinion shapers would fan the flames and create a big fat blowfish martyr for all the idiot overprescribed on Xanax and Zoloft to rush to his aid.

We all need to be alert and watch out for any prodding and poking of the sensitive state of our country. It has the potential to get ugly.

election was to achieve this end. Now we know. These people should be hung.

cowards all, and treasonous ones at that. What constitutes as treason in the US after all these crimes that these SOB's have done to this country??? That is the big question. And if we do not get them now incarcerated they will be back.

Since you are a major component in leeping the Military-Industrial complex well fed, protected and deadly.

If you are Joe Six-Pack, docile and are easily manipulated, then they don't care about you.

If you are an enemy to their desire for complete control, then you will be targeted.

Look around at the world. The move towards globalization is removing diversity, independant thought and choices in subtle ways. In the past, the financial market was robust because one could choose to run for a safe haven if a country proved to be unrelieble economically. These days, that corruption promoted by the United States and others has infected every aspect of the worlds economy, thus removing choices of how to weather the storm.

A good example is Home Depot. Say you buy a $500.00 generator at Home Depot. It runs for two weeks and fails. You send it in to the repair shop, which takes 4 weeks waiting for parts to repair it. You finally get the generator back, find that the repair shop didn't even bother to change the oil during the repair. OK, so you change the oil to be safe. You start it up and the machine seizes up in 15 minutes.

By now, you're fed up, blaming the Chinese manufacturing arm of the Brand that began in America 50 years ago. You decide to return the generator, but when you do, you find that your rights to a refund in cash are dismissed. Instead, you will receive a debit card usable to buy merchandise in Home Depot, and Home Depot alone. Home Depot apparently is leveraging your money to support its own credit card, so they cannot give you your money back. The debit card appears to be equitable and fungible, but then you start looking at the products, leery towards being burned again by poor quality. As you shop around for tools, you start to notice that they look fabulous, but when examined for functionality, precision and craftsmanship, you find that they don't pass muster of the tools that you bought only 15 years ago. They all have sharp edges to cut you, measuring tools give incorrect measurements, which add up cumulatively to make anything you build out of square, or you have a complete focus on Power Tools with plastic decorations that appear more suitable for a Nike shoe. Hand tools are stamped out of cheap steel, and god forbid if you want to resharpen them, becasue the way they are hardend would prevent you from doing it. You find that everything in the store is a fake, facade, or best attempt. None of them are quality, and all have inherent design flaws that will cause them to fail.

It is then that you realize you have been screwed. This waking up is really terrifying, but I see it happening on a global basis now. The American experiment of how to remove the ability to produce things from the masses is complete, and the Corporations are now moving on to the next targets -- China and India. As they are Americanized and conform to this same model of consumption, people lose their fundamental uniquness and become more susceptible to changes such as the Home Depot example above. The whole world becomes a homogenous herd of sheep. Easily controlled and manipulated, and the controllers no longer have to worry about unpredictable, traditional nations that do things in an unpredictable, hard to control manner.

As the world becomes one big strip mall, the indigenous people and traditions will not be their to question to mob that is stampeding towards their ultimate demise.

I don't want to see the world Americanized. We have destroyed the Earth in name of 7% growth, and people don't get it that the Earth is a really small place. There is a reason that kids don't get taught Geography anymore. The less they know, the better off the corporations are to sell their one size fits all methods of agriculture without regard to local geographic conditions. The more they promote GMO's without controls, the more the GMO's will invade the environment till there is no way to remove them if you needed or wanted to.

My family used to sell Maytag Appliances. We still use a 30 year old washer and dryer in the basement. The family business still exists but Maytag has become a joke in the appliance world. This is true of many products, as you cite. 1984 has become a reality, or near reality.

Their plans demanded a win one way or another. The wheels had been turning for some time prior to the election and all traitors were lined up to get the job done . . . especially the court!

bush lied. and trounced the constitution. what will happen next time. that's what worries me. and that is why we need to stop it cold NOW!!!

i think the problem is that wingers assume that these rights are there. they assume that they will not be kidnapped off the street and locked away with no charges and no way to see a judge. because they are americans. but even if the intention is to use these extraordinary dictatorial powers, how far of a stretch is it to see regular people who had the audacity to question their leader to disappear and never be heard from again?? sure, hasn't happened, yet. but do the republicans want ANY president doing this?? i am sure they don't want obama doing it. because THEY would be in danger. see why this just is not cool??? the president gets to decide who is an enemy combatant or a terrorist. we should all be frightened at this prospect and do everything we can to prevent it from happening again.

We were there, are still there, and will be there again unless there are hearings and someone is punished for this. For 30 freaking years Democrats have let criminal and traitorous Republican administrations get away with murder without a whimper of protest. And for what? A bowl of porridge? What purpose is served by ignoring the rogue elephant in the china shop?

Hearings!

And I second it! :applause:

I just got done reading Jane Mayer's "The Dark Side" about how Bushco conducted its "war on terrorism" and it seems like, at least for the first few years following 9/11, they were basically making up their own private rules and policies by executive fiat and creating all kinds of farcical legal justifications to cover their actions apparently realizing all along that what they were doing was probably illegal. What's scariest is that UNELECTED individuals such as Cheney's Chief of Staff, David Addington, and the White House Legal Counsel, John Yoo, were given tremendous power and latitude in determining the (mis-)administration's conduct and powers in regards to counter-terrorism. That they ultimately became too busy trying to cover up, obfuscate, and otherwise manage the legal messes they had created with their illegal tactics in detaining and torturing prisoners was probably the only reason that they couldn't- or wouldn't- start going after political opponents. We should probably even thank a few Bush (mis-)administration officials such as Jack Goldsmith, James Comey, Robert Mueller, and a few other brave individuals for being brave enough to try to obstruct and frustrate some of Bushco's actions and, when unsuccessful, refused to participate in the (mis-)administration any further.
Oh yes, we definitely dodged a bullet this time. The accounts of what happened during the Bush
(mis-)administration contained within "The Dark Side" provide the most compelling justifications for seriously investigating and prosecuting wrongdoing that occurred during the Bush (mis-)administration where necessary if for no other reason than to ensure another future administration does not draw on Bushco for "inspiration."

This country and it's dwindling resources and opportunities (thanks to these three and their handlers) cannot afford even four more years of another neo-clown presidency. Not now and not in the future. There is far, FAR too much at stake to let the ball drop again.

Thats the funnest thing I've heard in a long time!

/grats

except for a few that won't get any support from their colleagues.

They couldn't believe I would suggest such a horrible and ridiculous thing ~ and that was a left-leaning board. Unfortunately many STILL don't get that we were thisfuckingclose!

we can't let them revive this again.

have,and still do,the same thing.
Don't beleive me? Ask Octafish or Marmar,or malaise or Bobthedrummer or SwampRat or many others here.Time after time these posters have been attacked for saying fascism is here,now, in this country.

I've always been wary of the undercurrent of a group of Americans' anger and hatred towards those that are different. The people who we know now as the freepers and the 'family values' people who were also the thinly disguised racists (now emboldened to be as overt as they want to be), or those who we know as the followers of Limbaugh and Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin have always been ready to be manipulated by anyone who wants power the way the neo cons want it. I've lived in a lot of states in this country and these people are everywhere, but you see them more obviously in the red states. They're the body of Americans who's more extreme members become survivalists or skinheads at worst, but who have certain beliefs in common, like racism and jingoism, and who resent those who are rich while secretly wishing to be rich themselves.

They've made themselves very obvious during the Bush Era, and they're the ones Rush Limbaugh has in the palm of his hands because he also knows how to manipulate them.

We may have dodged the bullet this time but that group of people are still here, ready to be manipulated by the Bushes, the Roves, and the Cheneys who certainly haven't gone away. They've just retreated. They'll be back again and again.

In other words, we Americans have met the enemy and it is our own countrymen. Can that change? I truly don't know.

...I find cold comfort in finding out I was right all along...because only a very few either realized it, or gave a damn about it...

Its obvious now what Bush and Cheney intended to do. Cheney was the real mastermind behind all of this, Bush merely his puppet. Who pushed for all of this crap and then a pardon for Scooter Libby? Darth Cheney. He wanted to plunder America with terrible defense contracts and tax cuts to the wealthy and then turned around and spied on ordinary Americans. The two were the worst thing to ever happen to the United States. These powers need to be limited. we may not be so lucky to get in an Obama and Biden next time. It all depends on who governs us and that is scary. As much as I love our Prez and VP I do not want them to have these types of powers either. No one should be that above the law and no one should be allowed to turn America into a fascist state.

And the smug look on the Bush families faces when they showed them waiting for the results.

And they'll be even more cunning. They do learn from their mistakes, which is sometimes more than I can say about the Democrats. We'll just continue the power ball game back and forth between the parties, which means we'll progress for a while, then we'll regress for a while and so on. Back and forth.

"To suppress criticism even further, Wilson sought aggressive censorship legislation. He asked Congress to draft what became the Espionage Act of 1917, making it a crime for anyone to interfere with the war effort through acts such as denouncing the draft. Even this was not enough for Wilson, who pushed passage of the Sedition Act of 1918, which imposed heavy penalties on anyone convicted of criticizing the Constitution, the government, the military, or the flag. The approximately 2,000 people who were convicted under the Sedition Act included, for example, citizens such as Rose Pastor Stokes and Eugene Debs, each of whom was sentenced to 10 years in prison for speeches criticizing the government’s motives for going to war...."

Perilous Times; Free Speech in Wartime from the Sedition Act of 1798 to the War on Terrorism, Geoffrey R. Stone



...and that's merely the one of many abuses against the 1rst Amendment. Wilson had an entire litany of civil rights abuses against the American citizenry.

and declare martial law. It's only their incompetence and underestimating the people that stopped them.

I firmly believe there was LIHOP. You don't hear Pres. Obama scaring us like they did. After all that popularity after 9/11, I wonder why they didn't follow through with their most evil plans?

the memos just before leaving office. So, no, Obama doesn't have the same powers.

Information is in the video here:

http://harpers.org/archive/2009/03/hbc-90004488

Former lurker here...decided to take the plunge and join! First post too.

Anyway, my big concern is that Big Finance/HMOs/Oil/Pharma, along with the MIC & the fundies, would just LOVE to get ole Brother Jeb into the White House to finish the Job.

Not to forget the M$M would be more than happy to pave the way for Brother by doing all they can to discredit Dems and independents, make our teevee addicted, memory challenged society forget the bad and remember the good about Sir King Dumbass (Dubya), and tout Jeb! in every way possible.

Not so much in 2012 (repubs will probably run a Kook ticket including the Boreal Barbie) but in 2016 when the parties mentioned above have had ample time to clean things up and make a rosy scene for the American Electorate.

Let's just hope ole cystass fatso Rush keeps hammering away. With promoters like him, the Repugs don't really need anyone else to discredit them! :evilgrin:

It's a fun (and sometimes aggravating) place. :hi:

Great first post! :toast:

so I'd look for it to take awhile. Jeb's son George P. is the one I'd worry about. He's in his thirties now and lives in Dallas.

Welcome to DU :hi:

thats when I knew we were in trouble for sure.

Time will tell.

now would he complain about it. he seems to be complaining he's not locked up right? ahhh nevermind me

He as a few others on the right believed that the prisoners there were having a great time. I would not want to deprive him of the vacation of a lifetime.

I think we were looking over the edge of the fascism chasm, standing on a two by four plank with guns ready to shoot us off. I think we've been taken off the 2 by 4 and are maybe 10 feet away from the edge still. This could be a lull before the storm, they screwed it up bad, maybe they let Obama win in order to go down for the fall of the economy and turn people against the left again, the tea parties they are holding right now remind me of the power of the stupid and how if you repeat a lie over and over you can get people to believe it. The way they are twisting the DOW and its direct relationship to what Obama does and says to repair the issues caused by Bush. They are still very much in control of the airwaves and the message they want people to be supporting.

Right now they are ignoring the rich power grab and trying to blame the "loser" homeowners for this mess. They change the issues so well, and dodge and weave the issue so quickly one day you may be pissed at corporate America, the next day you are supporting a tea party and slamming your own American neighbor and claiming it's his fault.
Right now we should eb saying "Do you people want to support Wall Street loser investors, greedy predatory mortgage lenders and the insurors of both of thoes loser groups? Do you want to pay for their 4th yacht, 2nd ski chalet and 8th home with 6 bathrooms? Do you people? Let's have a referendum online to vote for it, are you listening greedy corporate porkers?"

but we arent, we are talking about Rush, Michael Steele, air plane crashes, and the DOW's relationship to Obama causing this mess, and how we should be investing now, and how we should be blaming the loser Americans that wanted to own a home and were FED the money by the rich. Is it class warfare where the poor and middle class just cant afford to be in the fight?

We shoudl be talking about justice, wars ending, trials on Bush-Cheney-Rove, Stimulus help for all Americans, closings and failures of the corporations that helped get us to this economic downturn with their pictures splashed across every tv and newspaper. I should be able to go down to the local stockade and spit on one of them if I so desire as they are locked in leg clamps in the public square.

I know most of us are mad as hell, but have we gotten to the point where we arent going to take it anymore? I see the teabaggers being tricked into being at that point, but if we know the truth why havent we gotten to that point yet? What will it take?

If that shit had happened in most countries in Europe, heads would be rolling. There would be massive protests, and striking workers (and supportive non-workers) would shut down swaths of cities overnight.

about this...although we've been telling them for the last 6 years, they didn't listen and voted for * one more time...fools...

At least most realize that there were crimes committed and that these guys need to be prosecuted.

The fact that many don't realize how serious it is/was is what really scares me.

were easily the most visible signs of the threat, the more insidious structural damage eroding the very foundation of the Constitution, checks and balances, and the separation of powers still exists.

I do believe we now have the opportunity for the first time in eight years to save our democratic republic from the long slide in to autocratic rule, but those steps repudiating and reversing the fascist transgressions waged against the American People by the Cheney/Bush Maladministration must be taken, or the election of President Obama will be for naught.

I would even go a step further and give the American People more freedom than they had before the selection of 2000, because this erosion against the American People's liberty, freedom and privacy has occurred over decades.

realized the whole time but I've had 6 1/2 years on DU knowing how bloody bad the fascists took over and really didn't have any plans to go away.

That's why I think the job that TeamObama is doing is brilliant..anyone catch the Health Summit?

Indict, Convict, Imprison.

Call me crazy, but I am of the opinion that the others are important as well.

Give the world back to the people1

for my yard signs and bumper stickers .

Calling me brave .. Hey I guess I was .

As shocking and informative as the posted memos were, I have yet to hear any discussion on the contents on MSM.
Absolute proof we are still fighting the fascists and must continue our never ending work of making the people aware of what is really going on.
:rant:

If we don't fix the election system and make it honest, all this can happen again and even sooner than you expect.

From the early 2000s to January of 2009, America was on the verge (if not an actual) of becoming a total fascist state.

Bush, Cheney and every one of their high-ranking accomplices, masters and minions alike, should be tried and executed.

I hope I'm wrong, but I really think that nobody cares.

Rightwingnuts were either sympathetic or just apathetic toward a president that used the constitution as toilet paper but a president NOW that spent twelve years of his life as a constitutional professor means he's just a snobby elitist. Rightwingnuts didn't mind a president that bailed out banks nearly as much as they hate one NOW that spent on infrastructure and the actual development of the lower and middle classes. Why do they call someone who wants to give back to 95% of all american citizens at a higher expense to 5% of americans "unpatriotic" but they call giving to 5% of americans at a higher cost to 95% of all american "patriotic"????????? Have we not learned that "supply-side" aka "Trickledown" aka "Reagonomics" aka "Horse and Sparrow" economics all do the same thing; STIMULATE ABOUT 5% OF THE ECONOMY!!!!!!!!!

Hitler appears to be his hero. Grandad Prescott wound be proud of his retarded grandson.

It's terrifying.

...which was passed by a Democratic Senate (ONE senator voted against it - Russ Feingold.). Ditto for the Iraq War Resolution and a whole slew of other extra-Constitutional shit in the 107th Congress.

Lest we forget the virtues of Mr. Daschle's time as the party's leader and the multitude of capitulators in our party.

Now that we're in the Bush Depression, when people are losing their jobs, losing their homes, being left out in the cold, and very angry, that's when the really batshit-insane, violent forms of right-wing fascism start getting popularity.

dictatorship button. Like I say this side of sanity I'm no way against prosecution was just previously wary that it may sacrifice all freedoms prior to inauguration day. I'd followed all the whistleblowers and was airing on the side of caution. They can prosecute now at least secure in the knowledge the people hold the cards.