Media now in full "What did Pres. Obama Know and when did he Know it?" Mode

Why am I not surprised?

Folks who are uninformed will "blame" Geithner, because that feels good,
but you are barking at the wrong tree.

The fault lies with Bush and everyone one in his administration,
and the deregulation of the financial system.

FUCK YOU MEDIA, and those who have a lot to say without a true understanding.

Please elaborate.

this link ... another interesting read

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5273942&mesg_id=5273942

.... and not some supposed parallel analogy?

Just a thought. :)

What--he's not dumb enough?

:D :hide:

If that god damn press would just follow your lead & kiss Obama's ass 24/7 this would have never happened.

and it appears that you are giving your view of my giving my view.

Does that make you better than me or just about the same?

Certainly you are free to start an OP if you wish.....and give your view.

ass and trying to undermine him at every turn and you should be aware enough to know that.

Read as little as possible,
but know exactly what's going on, perhaps?

...and not doing.

There have been excellent solutions put forth by economists and Congresspeople, but the admin. isn't listening.

Making endless excuses the way you do is just plain silly.

to the most corrupt administration in the history of the United States with no strings attached and no restrictions? The same Congresspeople who are now shock to find out there was gambling in Las Vegas? The same Congresspeople who are suddenly blowing populous smoke up our arses in order to deflect from the fact that they are just as responsible for this mess as anyone else? Those Congresspeople?

This is the fault of what the Bush administration did with an assist from Congress. You can't possibly believe that somehow Bush didn't F this up like EVERYTHING else he has ever touched. Bush took his parting shot and he is the one responsible for this mess. Congress can put on this faux face of righteous indignation all they want, but where the hell were they when it counted? I'm not naive enough to fall for this feigned outrage. They want to be outraged? They can go look in the mirror.

I wouldn't listen to these idiots if they were the last people on earth.

were shilling for before the election....

:rofl:

:silly:

and get their news from Frenchie Cat, not the MSM.

for making these deals in the first place. The media's talk as if this item has now completely derailed Obama's presidency is something else.

They are doing their best to try to bring him down.

They are quite selective as to who they aim at.

Possibly the agenda is to slow this administration's agenda.
With the last administration, the sold him to us hard for like 5 years.

Now that this administration is coming in for the clean up,
the fingers are pointed at them as they take out the trash.

I don't buy into conspiracy theories.

People around here who cry "media bias" are just like the right-wingers who cry "media bias" all the time, and did for the last eight years.

If there's a bias for anything in the media, it's toward sensationalism.

When people complain about bias, they're really just saying that "the media" (as if it's some monolith) isn't reporting news the way THEY want it reported.

The corporate media has an agenda, and it is a corporate one.......meaning it is about money, not about "sensationalism". The corporate media supports republicans, because republicans supports the corporate agenda. It really is that simple.

I agree with the below post from reader at Buzzflash.....

CNN: rock bottom garbage
Submitted by drphonic on Fri, 03/13/2009 - 8:30pm.
As someone who worked at cnn for over 8 years I can tell you that the executives there are the most conniving scumbags on the planet & couldn't give a crap about journalism. They exist to sell you a product: whatever their overwhelmingly republican advertisers & masters want. Oh, and fear of course. I'm sure most buzzflash readers are aware of that, but the extent to which they will go to keep progressive ideas out of their newsroom should make any decent American sick. Since they have no ideas, they ASK for suggestions on stories. If, god forbid, your idea has any progressive value, they will ignore it, even denying its newsworthiness. Then you will find yourself being lied about and eventually run out. I guess this garbage is happening all over the country, but don't for a minute think that cnn is an actual news outlet. It is a big business, run by one of the largest corporations in the world. Plain & simple.
http://buzzflash.com/articles/carpenter/334#comment-50400

I guess "the media" is doing something right when they're disappointing people on both sides of the political aisle.

as it masks the real right leaning bias that CORPORATE NEWS CORPORATION have when reporting the news.

I gave my reason why I believe that the CORPORATE media leans right.....bends over, literally.

Why don't you give me the reason that you believe that the CORPORATE MEDIA is, in the end,
in the "Middle".

Other than a conspiracy theory, I mean. See, it would be interesting if you could present evidence that this phantom entity "pays to be disappointed as it masks the bias." LOL

I believe "the media" (again, there's that monolith!) tends toward sensationalism, bad news, scandal, etc., regardless of party.

The fact that wacko conspiracy theorists exist both on the left and right demonstrates that they're hitting both sides.

See, when someone says that so-and-so is a CORPORATE tool, then the discussion is over. No further argument or supporting facts are necessary.

Especially when CORPORATE is spelled in A L L C A P S.

of the press a conspiracy theory? Why is the press not pointing out the role of the Bush Treasury Department in the AIG contract mess?

The problem is that the conspiracy theorists on the left AND the right both insist that "the media" is bias toward the other side.

It's funny.

seriously, it would help you greatly, concocting information by using conspiracy theorist
as an excuse to counter another person argument without you providing any reference or
detailed rebuttal is seen as ignorant or plainly disruptive.

And unfortunately a huge chunk of Obama's Cabinet is too. :evilfrown:

mess. I've tuned out.

I have heard and read news on Geitner's early involvement in the money going to AIG. Is he blameless?

Shouldn't the question be what did he do to be blamed?

Why don't you provide the information of his involvement with AIG.

he could have suggested some strings be attached to the TARP money? I don't know why we'd let Paulson or Bernanke off the hook, so Geithner shares in the failings of the bailout deal that lead us to this latest ripoff.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/18/AR2008091804211.html

Your link really doesn't state much, in terms of providing me with your view. It only states that Bernake, Paulsen and Geithner don't know each other well, but recently have been forced to work together.

It points to the fact that Geithner is a career government employee, while Paulsen came from Wall Street.

where you accused someone of not reading much but knowing a lot. It's hilarious that that's all you got out of that 5-page article. Good grief.

Seriously. Today's news. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/17/business/17bailout.html?ref=todayspaper

How, if Geithner was involved in the TARP, did he not know what the existing Treasury officials, including Paulson, knew about the AIG bonuses?

See, sometimes you have to read multiple sources, do your own background checking (hence the Sept article I posted) and then form your own opinion.

It seems that you're simply looking for a way to dismiss any and all criticism of Geithner. That's dangerous and ill-intentioned, just as it was with the people who excused everything every Bush admin official did. It's troubling and scary on both sides.

I'm simply dismissing the fake ass anger peddled by our CORPORATE media.

I'm angry at the right people as far as all of this shit is concerned....
and Geithner is very very low on my list.

The bonuses were known by Treasury officials, including Paulson, at the time of the TARP discussions. Geithner was part of that working group.

Oh, and I'm no more convinced of your conspiracy theory just because you put "CORPORATE" in all caps. That doesn't do much for your argument.

insolvency.

I blame the deregulation of the markets, 8 years of Bush without oversight, period.

How it was handled once the shit hit the fan is neither here nor there, cause it shouldn't have ever happened.......

Who I tend not to blame is those who just got some real say so at the tail end.

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thats what I thought it was, PAID SHILL, it makes sense now, the
pattern is too obvious, they figure we're not paying attention
so they might go un-noticed.

They will never stop....they are soooo desperate.

isn't profitable and the meme will change ..... or at a minimum, even out.

The longer we keep those cablecritters on day and night, the longer they will spew what they have been.

Advertisers don't care if you're throwing shoes at the TV, or screaming at the commentators, they only care that you are tuned in........hence the manufacture of controversy, so they can make people feel like they are missing something if they aren't watching!

this when he goes on Leno, Thursday night.

Still pisses me off to see so many of us allowing the media
to lead us by the nose.

Folks talk as though they are sophisticates
when half don't know shit.

That's all I'm saying!

the bushwellian nightmare and all of a sudden they're raging over Prez Obama with a microscope like Wright and Ayers 24/7..and people on this board can't see that?!

I know what you're saying.

If I understand correctly, he is the one who put in these bonuses in the first place, now he's wants to lead the charge against them.

He's the one who knew about this.

Dodd was AIG’s largest single recipient of campaign donations during the 2008 election cycle with $103,100, according to opensecrets.org. He was also the top recipient in 2006 when he received $79.800.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Senate_plans_on_introducing_bill_to_0317.html

be bailed out. Dodd is my Senator and he did not put any bonuses in. The Countrywide thing is crap.

"while the Senate constructed the $787 billion stimulus last month, Dodd unexpectedly added an executive-compensation restriction to the bill. That amendment provides an 'exception for contractually obligated bonuses agreed on before Feb. 11, 2009,' which exempts the very AIG bonuses Dodd and others are seeking to tax. The amendment is in the final version and is law."

Dodd was AIG’s largest single recipient of campaign donations during the 2008 election cycle with $103,100, according to opensecrets.org. He was also the top recipient in 2006 when he received $79.800.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Senate_plans_on_introducing_bill_to_0317.html

the strapless black bra.

Is this what Glen meant when he said we are surrounded, you guys are sprouting,
I forgot spring is here...:rofl:

and Congress by not properly addressing future bonuses after the election may have caused themselves irreparable harm. I do income taxes for people. They are so pissed off at Obama, whom they are wrongfully blaming for much of the bonus debacle, some can barely speak about it. AND THEY ARE NOT ALL REPUBLICANS! And bring it up at the grocery store or pharmacy with the person ahead of or behind you, and you will get an earful.

continue to think that Obama is doing a great job. Must be the people you hang out with.

for everything. I cannot afford to have my taxes done...I do it online with H and R block.

Well not all people...some just have complicated businesses but still this pisses me off that people are dumb enough to blame Obama.

hang out with no one. I do their taxes then don't see them again for another year. Like most people nowadays, the people I talk to are strangers I meet in public places. I voted for Obama, so don't start calling me a Flipper.

who is to blame.

standing on Wilshire Blvd with anti-war signs as the police, weapons drawn, were ordering us to back off. Or in downtown LA when I was supporting free choice, open medical care, etc. Methinks doth protest too much.

created by the Bush administration and a compliant corporate media. People are waking up. Bush may be gone but the media is still corporate.

BTW, you are not the only person who participated in anti-war protests. I met many fine DUers in DC.

people on the streets. I'm no Johnny Tremayne, but I did what I could and feel that more participation would have truncated the war. As things are happening now, with SADR being silenced and Maliki turning into Saddam 2, Bush may well be seen as some kind of bizzaro hero. Disgusts me.

trusted poll and gallup ratings can be bought? You need to give it up.

elections correctly, and that I usually use that as my basis for relying on any poll.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=8247636#8250362


I'm sure you heard about gallup from the same people that are so upset with the President.

out, but they are gone now.

believes rasmussen is legitimate but gallup gets paid off for ratings! Wow....have fun here! Guess whatever the dems paid in the last election worked because we kicked McCain's ass in a landslide.

Pew Research and Survey USA. However, even those have biases.

been buried in their taxes for you not to listen exactly
what they're gripping about or who they are blaming for this
mess.

I'm just saying...:shrug:

people blame the president for stuff he didn't do merely because they think it is the president in power that is blameful at the time they think something has occurred. Also, I have tendancy not to try and cleanse people of their wrongful thoughts moments before they will be paying me. I would just as soon they didn't talk at all except for matter related to their returns.

so little time!

"They are so pissed off at Obama" is your money quote.

Obama and will continue to support him until that support has to be forgone. Unlike some people, if he orders the destruction of orphanages in New Hampshire, I will not say--"All George Bush's fault."

Just conspiracy theories and blanket excuses for people she wants to excuse.

Simple-minded and disgusting.

I think I'm done with this one. ;)

When you opined that the label CORPORATE has nothing to do with what our media does.

Isn't it time for tee ball or a nap dem629? The grown ups are talking here dear.

and well respected DU'er whether you agree with her or not. If anything, you've shown yourself to be the simple- minded disgusting one. The fucking media bent over backwards to enable the last administration. If we want to call them out for suddenly finding their voices then that's what we'll do here.

I was SOOOOO bored earlier ... and that green fountain was making me woozy .... I had no choice but to lay down. Missed all the fun.

were given by BUSH administration and that P. Obama HAS NOTHING to do with it. Americans are not stupid, they are paying attention. Maybe the ppl you talk to are, or maybe you are feeding to their missinformation. If you are NOT informing them. you are part of the problem.

reduced post facto through special legislation or even policy decisions by the new owners of AIG. Contractual obligations may be subverted if they are done under illegal circumstances.

Let's realize how impossible the mess is, because we don't know bottom, we can't know the acts.

But your suggestion that average Americans are blaming Obama for bonuses being distributed by AIG is absurd. Laughable.

Yes, we're all supposed to believe that the average American is dumber than a bag of sand, but there is no way in hell you could convince me that large groups of Americans, even Republican hacks, are blaming the President for AIG's idiotic and inflammatory insistence on distributing bonuses. One major reason you can't convince me of that is because the President has been so vocal about his own outrage over these bonuses.

are breaking for the "Average Americans".

:)

catagorized as a flipper by then and ushered out, we'll have our talk to test your continued sanguinity.:nopity:

so if I haven't been catagorized as a flipper by then and ushered out

An understandable concern...

Try again dude. I realize you want to look really bright but the dim part of your bulb is glowing.

http://www.wordsmyth.net/live/home.php?script=search&matchent=sanguinity&matchtype=exact

This is the definitive word site. Your site sucks. Sorry try again. Thanks for playing rookie.

Wordsmyth? Bwaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahha

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sanguinity

what people are failing to realize is that this administration inherited
this mess, they are so desperate for the Obama administration to fail
that they blame them for anything and everything, even bonuses they got
before the Obama administration came in.

AIG got money from the first package of stimulus program, but try educating the
fools that have been gracing DU lately and you get flamed.

YES, FRENCHIE IS RIGHT AND WHOSOEVER THINKS OTHERWISE IS AN ENABLER OR A FOOL

FUCK THOSE with ulterior motives.

Was in the stimulus bill, not TARP. You know...the one that was signed last month?

Watching the Stim take effect could take... oh my gawd... months for things to stick! It's just too long, damn it! News directors are wondering what the kids are working on... we need controversy! We need scandals! We need to bring suspicion into the mix so that people will crave fear! Fear! It's good for business!

:puke:

SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Mar-17-09 03:15 PM

Jeez Louise.. "Why weren't they outraged about the bonuses on Friday, instead of Monday"...

What minutiae

For EIGHT (really 9), George Bush got tough questions about how he was sleeping, how he was holding up, what he did on the ranch, what color his new bike was...and now P.Obama's crew is getting the "what did you know, and when did you know it routine"..on steroids... and about bail outs that were set up under the Bush administration...

I am just waiting for Gibbs to lash out at the media as ask THEM why it's taken them 8 long years to start asking piercing questions.

Perhaps , if the media had pressed harder when it could have mattered, we would not be IN this financial mess..

It sounds to me that the press is sensing a pulling-back from the Obama admin...(starting with the Gridiron dinner).

The press is used to a more personal attachment to government, and may be slightly pissed off at being treated like what they are.. paid tattletales, ready to skew any story in any direction, depending on their "pout"iness at any given moment.