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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 01:58 PM
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Krugman: Larry, Larry

Larry, Larry

From The Hill:

“I was surprised by Paul’s comments,” Summers told Bloomberg News on Monday. “He didn’t seem to recognize that this is one component of the plan, and I don’t know of any economist who doesn’t believe that better functioning capital markets in which assets can be traded are a good idea.”

Futhermore, Summers accused Krugman of not actually recognizing what was announced today.

“Paul has views on the state of the banking system. Certainly many observers don’t share those views,” Summers declared. “But more relevantly, that wasn’t what today’s announcement was about.”

Summers added: “I didn’t understand his argument.”

I’m fine with this. Larry is a first-rate economist with a job to do, and I wish him luck in it. He understands what I’m saying, of course, but he’s doing his best to support the official line.

That line now goes like this: first, the Geithner put is just “one component of the plan” — although the other components are invisible to the rest of us, now that the stress test seems to have been downgraded to irrelevance. Second, rather than defending the large subsidy the plan creates for anyone who buys troubled assets, administration officials tout the virtues of markets in general, and say, hey, this creates a market, so it must be good.

It’s a bit disappointing to see the Obama administration engaging in this sort of market-worship — hailing markets as a Good Thing in themselves, rather than as an often but not always useful means to an end. But I have reason to think that unlike the Bushies, they don’t really believe it; it’s just politics. Which is actually better than having genuine market fanatics running things, I guess.

(emphasis added)

Politics? Does that mean Obama is doing the for political gain?


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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:02 PM
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1. No he's doing it to sell it
Essentially Krugman thinks Summers and Obama hate this as much as he does however, its the only thing those two think is feasible.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:06 PM
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5. "Essentially Krugman thinks Summers and Obama hate this as much as he does however" Really?
Who knew this was part of Obama's job?

Then again, that's assuming this is what Krugman meant.


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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:08 PM
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6. You'll have to forgive me I'm PA Dutch
When your selling me manure tell me its manure. Don't try to tell me its gold.

My issue is no concessions are gotten from Wall Street to do this, just like before a free ride.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:15 PM
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7. "When your selling me manure tell me its manure. Don't try to tell me its gold."
So you think Obama is running around telling people that these are the best of times?


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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:21 PM
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9. I think that should tell us what we need to acknowledge. nt
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CBR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:04 PM
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2. Not political gain... operating in political reality. nt
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:05 PM
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3. That's actually a thought I had myself today:
"But I have reason to think that unlike the Bushies, they don’t really believe it; it’s just politics."



Well, not that exactly, but more like "the administration is doing what seems repulsive to the rest of us (letting the extremely wealthy take financial advantage of our economic disaster) in order to get a 'system' running again so that they can then make systemic fixes to said system.

It's distasteful, but I think it's the sort of thing the pragmatic president means when he says "I'm not going to govern out of anger".
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:24 PM
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10. I think the hedge people are the only ones with money. Ours, but I'll take it back.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:06 PM
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4. I thought Krugman didn't think the FDIC could adequately vet assets
where the market had failed?

Now he doesn't have confidence in the market?

I'm dizzy!

:rofl:

I don't think anyone's saying "hey, this creates a market, so it must be good." They're saying "We have to find some way to value these assets, and a market is the most familiar way." Krugman shouldn't extend his arguments passed the point of reasonableness.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:36 PM
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11. I only alternative I've heard from him is nationalization
It would be great if Krugman could share his concerns with the administration instead of his critiques on his blog.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 03:10 PM
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13. So the government CAN'T exercise due diligence or oversight on loans
But CAN take over and run large banks.

:wow:

Clear as mud.

:-)

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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 03:30 PM
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15. That appears to be Krugman's position, not mine
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 03:35 PM
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16. I know, ellascott
I wasn't attributing it to you so much as clarifying it for myself.

:-)
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:20 PM
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8. I think it means he is owned by Wall Street.
The huge investment banks consider that they brought him into power and they expect to run things and get what they want from government.

Obama has been told they they want us to carry the burden of the toxic assets. They already expressed displeasure about that label so they are now renamed Legacy assets by Obama. (A term worthy of Bush's Clean Water Act which was a license to pollute.

Wall Street still wants Social Security money to invest. Bush floated it for them but failed to deliver when the people objected.I suspect they think Bush dropped the ball.

They expect Obama to deliver and Summers and Obama are already calling Social Security an "entitlement" that needs to be reformed. That is the code for privatizing some or all of it.

The Wall Streeters are the insincere Obama supporters-their money and influence got him into office (check opensecrets.com) but they have no interest in anyting but themselves.

The sincere Obama supporters are the people who want to change America for the good of all. Many of these have knee-capped themselves by insisting we and they must follow Obama without question or criticism in the HOPE he will work miracles-not realizing their King is captured.

So Wall Street is winning the battle and may well win the war. (So many people do not realize that our Financial Sector has been at war with us. It is the great unrecognized insurgency).




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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:52 PM
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12. Larry Summers betrays American IT workers
He's meeting with Indian firms and in favor of raising the quota of H-1B visas. There are at least 200,000 American IT workers unemployed and H-1B visa holders along with outsoucing are a ouple of the main reasons why.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 03:17 PM
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14. Oh, the usual Left Wing hating on foreigners who are skilled.
Yeah, let's ENCOURAGE a brain drain.

This is an area where the populist Left and Right deserve each other. It is merely which country they are hating on: India for the Left and Mexico for the Right.

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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 03:49 PM
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17. You apparently have a problem with American citizens who are skilled
Shouldn't you get back to ordering some minimum-wage-slave to finish making your latte?
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