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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:36 AM
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Anyone else think that hidden within the teleprompter criticism is an implication
that Obama is dumb? And that maybe, perhaps some sort of racial stereotyping is driving this criticism?

Many people in the media wouldn't risk straight out saying Obama's stupid, but this teleprompter "issue" provides a defensible means of making the same point.

For the life of me, I can't remember ever hearing during Bush's presidency how Bush used teleprompters. I just found out recently that the words on his telemprompters had to be spelled out phonetically for him. Why was it a non-issue for Bush, but such a big deal for Obama?
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:38 AM
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1. Obama is careful ....
and fucking brilliant ....

I look forward to the steady dissection of Ed Henry and the yokels at CNN by our brilliant president over the next 8 years ....

Fucking assholes ...
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 06:30 AM
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21. He's not reading from a TelePrompTer when he answers questions and is interviewed on 60 Minutes.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:39 AM
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2. Yup. Its all so damn subtle but its right there all the time.
"The black guy is dumb."
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:39 AM
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3. Because they don't have anything else to get their underoos in a wad AND
we must constantly fight off the RW echo chamber.

Many of the folks covering this stuff were heavy influened by the same lie peddlers during the Clinton administration.

But Clinton did not have us.

We must debunk them at every turn and make them look like the disingeneous fools they are.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:40 AM
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4. No, you think?
And if there weren't a teleprompter we'd hear gushing about how "well-spoken" he is.
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:41 AM
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5. I suspect there are some racial overtones.
But anyone who listens to Obama for more than 30 seconds has to realize that here we have a brilliant man, one who can speak complex sentences off the cuff...

Good grief.

:eyes:

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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:42 AM
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6. i suspect you are right
and that's right, if they listen to Obama and watch him explain things, this is not a dumb man, in fact he's very gifted. i admire the way he teaches when he speaks.
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Puzzler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:04 AM
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11. Agreed... but the implication is that he can't...
... speak well off the cuff. Which is clearly nonsense. It's an idiotic meme. But like any shitty meme, it has to be repeated over and over by the so-called pundits and the MSM to gain any traction. This is exactly what "they" are attempting to do right now.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:47 AM
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7. This TelePromp crit is proof them Pubs are fucked....this is all they got? A Fucking Prompter? OMG
More and more people are losing their respect for the GOP

More and more are leaving everyday...to become anything but Republican

Them Pubs have become TOXIC

They are a CANCER on America...
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empyreanisles Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:48 AM
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8. Its both tthat and a knock at his perceived strength - Intelligence
Those that hate Obama try to discredit his obvious intelligence and grasp of the issues by suggesting he is simply reading from rote the ideas others have prepared for him.

Over and over again, they use the teleprompter as proof that he has "no idea what he is doing", or that he is an "empty suit". They conveniently forget about occasions such as tonight, various interviews, and town halls where Obama continues to display his keen understanding on the fly and WITHOUT a teleprompter.

For the racists this the same old game. They are constantly trying to undermine Obama's intelligence by claiming his books were ghost-written, his degrees were due to Affirmative Action (not that anything is wrong with that), that he is just a front man delivering the ideas of some shadowy "others". They do this with ANY black person who is accomplished in anything other than sports or entertainment.

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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 06:25 AM
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20. There IS something wrong with implying his degrees were due to affirmative action
because they were not. He didn't even tell Harvard on his application that he was black.

And there's something very wrong with anyone implying that DEGREES are earned through affirmative action. Admissions may or may not be affected by it, but affirmative action doesn't determine whether or not someone gets a degree.

Unless all you meant is "there's nothing wrong with affirmative action." But really, in Obama's case it's irrelevant. ANY reference to affirmative action helping him get ahead is a racist slur intented to demean his accomplishments by implying he didn't achieve them, they were handed to him.
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empyreanisles Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 06:43 AM
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22. RE: Unless all you meant is "there's nothing wrong with affirmative action."
Edited on Wed Mar-25-09 06:53 AM by empyreanisles
Yes, that is what I meant. :)

And your post is 100% spot on. AA only extends opportunities to qualified people who may have been overlooked. It's still up to the individuals to do the work and reap the benefits.

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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:50 AM
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9. Let's ponder the irony of cable newsreaders commenting on the 'issue'
From their teleprompters.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:23 AM
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13. DUzy
As to double meanings and such- these folks really aren't that smart.

I doubt they even recognized that Obma was telling Ed Henry that HE didn't know what he was talking about.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:55 AM
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10. Sure, but how funny is that when Obama probably has an IQ of 170 while Dubya had 80 on a good day nt
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:13 AM
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12. No. They are idiots who can't wrap their mind around a person
who knows how to communicate. And every time President Obama talks, he proves they are suspect.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:35 AM
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14. That might have been true except for the fact that he does even better answering questions without
a teleprompter.
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nilram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:44 AM
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15. Obama is being controlled by others who write his words for him
and he can't afford the receiver and earpiece that Bush wore...

:rofl:
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 01:52 AM
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16. Without a doubt
Edited on Wed Mar-25-09 01:53 AM by Uzybone
They want him to appear dumb and controlled. There is some racial stereotyping going on.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 04:29 AM
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17. When Lincoln delivered the Gettysburg Address he read it from notes on paper.
What's the difference?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 05:53 AM
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18. He Read It From Notes He Himself Had Written. But The "Teleprompter" Criticism Is Bogus
and probably racist.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:30 AM
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34. Yes, I knew he wrote it all by himself on the his way there.
And I wouldn't be surprised if Obama manages to work in a word or two of his own from time to time. But my point is, the biggest difference is the medium. Regardless, it's all bogus as you say. There's nothing unethical about using a teleprompter and an earphone to help convey your message. Unless you're in a presidential debate and secretly get wired up with a feed from your handlers.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 06:04 AM
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19. shallow thinking skills ...
are common in folks who've never been challenged to think for themselves. Obama's no exception.
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pot luck Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 11:30 AM
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37. Wow.
So you really believe that Obama's too dumb to think for himself?
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 07:11 AM
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23. Absolutely.
Rush's line this week via TYT: "the teleprompter tells Obama to say...", in other words, no black man could do this alone...it also suggests that he is being manipulated from behind the scenes. Racist straight-up.

fucking lame
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 07:16 AM
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24. It just burns their asses to know how much smarter this guy is than
the addlepated sociopath who just left office.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 07:17 AM
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25. Yup...and it's sickening. My husband said that last night, and he's
a person that always looks at "racism" as the last reason anything happens.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 07:51 AM
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26. Every skilled African American writer or orator from Phyllis Wheatley on down
Has faced charges that they cannot independently produce sound judgment or skillful prose in language.

Phyllis Wheatley actually had to face an independent board that "verified" her production of verse. Even after that, it was said that she was merely parroting her owners.

Nineteenth century discussion of slave autobiographies is rife with the same critique: either they didn't write the accounts themselves, or they are merely parroting abolitionist activists. It's "impossible" that African Americans can formulate thought and narrative like that! This was the theory.

The same criticism then applied to African American writers and authors. Even W.E.B. DuBois was accused of merely parroting his teachers in philosophy.

It's the logic behind charges of "plagiarism" lodged against Martin Luther King.

It is certainly the logic of this teleprompter nonsense. Let's not forget that right wing hacks were attempting to "prove" that William Ayers actually wrote Obama's books as recently as six months ago. These are not idle charges. They are charges embedded in a 300-year history of denying African Americans their ability to use language skillfully in a public setting.
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:01 AM
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31. Nice historical perspective!
:thumbsup:
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:30 AM
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27. Nah, they're just grasping at straws.
If anything, it's not that he's dumb, but they're looking at something to "blame" his intelligence and speaking abilities on. I guess that's kinda what you are saying, but it really just boils down to them needing SOMETHING.

Personally, I'll take "teleprompter" over "lied to the American People about a reason to go to war" or "cheated on his wife in the Oval Office" or "had his underlings commit robbery in order to spy on his opposing party" ANY day.

BRING ON the teleprompter jokes. lol
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:49 AM
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28. The media are just too stupid to realize that during the days before television
Presidents like FDR read from a prepared script for his fireside chats.

Didn't Lincoln read his Proclamation?
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:57 AM
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29. No, the M$M is far from stupid. They are being ordered to push this meme, but it won't stick
Edited on Wed Mar-25-09 08:59 AM by ShortnFiery
because EVERYONE knows merely by the way Obama clearly and thoughtfully answers questions that he is A HIGHLY INTELLIGENT man.

They WANT the thought of "ignorance" to stick because their corporate masters have ordered them to repeat the meme. In the days before the Internet if enough "reputable" journalists said the same thing and repeated ad nauseum, they could OFTEN bring the people along. However, due to Obama's demonstrated intelligence ( at Town Hall Meetings and Press Conferences) combined with many "small progressive niches" on the Net, the COGNITIVE DISSONANCE of squaring this contention with Obama, the man, is deafening.

In other words, the seemingly insatiable efforts by the M$M whores to paint Obama as ignorant and/or lazy has proved to be a *Massive Fail.* :evilgrin:





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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 08:58 AM
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30.  They mock his intelligence because he's blond! Yup, Harvard Law Review
president , professor of Contitutional Law, bestselling author, oh yeah, and POTUS. What a dunce.

(And Michelle went to Harvard Law as well. Another dumb blond? Discuss)
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:12 AM
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32. It's more basic than that I think. The public sentiment is that Obama is a gifted speaker
so to counter that, the MSM is attempting to condition the masses to the idea that (a) Obama uses a telepropmter so therefore (b) he is simply reading someone else's words. A veiled attempt to demean and discredit without overtly appearing as such.

You are correct that the MSM never made an issue of Bush using a teleprompter. Hell, they never even commented or discussed the satellite radio transceiver strapped to his back and clearly visible through his jacket. But from a corporate media perspective, Bush was "their guy". Obama on the other hand stands in serious question to the status quo.

A couple other misdirections that the MSM are trying to implant in the minds of their more feeble listeners:

(1) Obama overexposure (a RW talking point conservatives hope will generate animosity towards Obama) The truth is of course that America overwhelmingly approves of Obama and his exposure level is an asset to his popularity, but a liability to his critics.
(2) America is a center-right nation. Clearly wrong and intended to perpetuate the purpose driven confusion between Liberal-Conservative. Truth: America is overwhelmingly a center-Left nation ( http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/93050/americans_move_left%3B_new_york_times_misses_it/ ).
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:35 AM
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35. You make some great points.
I think you're right that they are attempting to use the teleprompter as a way to degrade the perception of both thinking and speaking abilities.

As to over exposure. Obama knows that they either don't report substance, trivialize the important, or aggrandize the trivial, so he has made it a point to go directly and often to the people themselves. The media are trying to pollute that stream of info by attempting to condition people to say "Oh, geez, not him again!" when he does a presser or a town hall.

That center right crap bugs the shit out of me. They are working a point through repetition until it becomes accepted. We are not center right, we are tilting majorly center left and the last election was proof of that. The economy is changing and the demographics are changing. Our leaders and the media are behind the curve of progressive growth in the country.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 12:17 PM
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38. The key to their powers of persuasion is repetition
repeat something often enough and it will become fact with many people. Doesn't even have to be factual, just repeated a sufficient number of times. If you need to introduce an untruth in a credibly sounding way, you can precede it with something like "Some people say....". Of course that "Some people" probably just means the guy speaking it at the time but the jist of the comment comes off as much more authoritarian.
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Rashel Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 09:26 AM
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33. Yes. In their little minds he's a Nego, he can't be smart. They'll have to suck it up
and accept that he's a gifted writer, speaker and thinker.

Just like they tried to demean Tiger Woods, (fried chicken etc.) they will try to minimize the first Black President's intellect.

But it won't work. President Obama, uses his grace like Woods does, and they will fail to bait him.
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benld74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-25-09 10:05 AM
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36. AT LEAST HE CAN READ, and not My Pet Goat
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