Pres. Obama breaking "Imagined" Promise 1,438,889 - "I will give you Single Payer Health, period."

:rofl:

I was listening closely, and didn't hear it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE

I am not saying he HAS to be 100% for Single Payer, but if he doesn't hold the threat of Single Payer over the existing system, to put some fear in them then we won't get a thing.

I've seen this video over and over and over again by people who think that President Obama is not practicing what he preaches----it actually DOESN'T help you're argument but actually sustains President Obama's position.

He believes that ALL people should be given health insurance and single-payer is the best way to do that. He really believes it. But he even says...and he said *BUT* that many people seem to ignore. That they are not going to get there without major changes and the process has to be in small movements. The health care system is currently extremely flawed in and of itself minus the health insurance companies and this is stuff like medicare and medicaid. He's trying to fix that little by little. If he proposes single-payer it's not going anywhere. We have ConservaDems obstructing and we have Repubs who are completely anti the idea.

However, he's proposing a small or "low-hanging fruit" initiative. We get as much seats in the WH and government which he's done and then there's the health reforms that need to be done. Personally health reforms are first before any sort of Universal health care is proposed. I'm a person who needs health insurance but I understand the problems already in the health care field and that won't be met with single payer/universal health care.

We have too little medical facilities to accomodate the influx or people don't live in areas where they can get to one easily. We have to take into consideration the crowding out and abrupt collapse of private insurance (also meaning lost jobs) but able to meet the influx of people administratively. Just so you know Medicare and Medicaid are ridiculously under staffed and ridiculously technologically backward to even meet the demand of such a drastic change in the system.

If people were bloody more realistic to the institutional problems we already face added to the political disaster it might be (where we get a whole BC/HRC incident again)they'd think logically and see that the methodology of what the president suggests is better.

He's proposing he Massachusetts model which has faced low administrative costs and easier transition but added to this to grasp the low hanging fruit initiatives to fix the public/private health care system BEFORE implementing a complete overhaul.

Why is this so hard to accept or even realize? Why is he seen as the bad guy when what he proposes is logical and better for a sustainable future change? People are quick and loud to judge, from what I can see without thinking through the major factors he faces as President and the many enemies out there who will stop at nothing to stop any change. In particularly starting with Conservadems. You need those idiots on board to and not just people like Kucinich, Feingold, and others to get things done.

and that is if you have a Universal System then they don't spend > 50% of their time fighting with for-profit health insurers and they easily could handle any extra people expanded coverage might bring in.

I am not saying Obama is the bad guy, but taking the wrong approach. If he wants to change the system for the better he needs to hold H.R. 676 over the heads of lobbyist's of the for-profit insurers threatening their destruction, otherwise they will run the reform and that means no reform.

because it would be hard to change the system.

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things that were never said.

Living in an imaginary world is only going to get you imaginary satisfaction.

What bothers me and I'm sure alot of other people is that deep down inside Obama the person (not Obama the politician) supports single payer, marijuana legalization and gay marriage (to name a few issues) because he has supported them in the past (or used them in the past) before he became a national politician. But once he went national he abandoned his views.

And his views aren't exactly unpopular. Polls show the public support issues like that (single payer, gay marriage, pot legalization) around 40-60% of the time. On the other hand only about 17% support not giving the people an option to pick a public plan in a healthcare plan. But the GOP supports that.

That is what bothers me. The GOP will stand up for their principles, democrats will not. The GOP leads the polls by taking unpopular ideas and leading the public into supporting them. The democrats won't even stand up for ideas the public actually does support for fear of backlash. Claiming anyone who is bothered by that lives in a fantasy world is a strawman argument.

I'm glad we have some principled democrats like Sanders (who isn't a democrat), Dean or Kucinich. But most are pretty cowardly and act more like battered wives than leaders of the free world.

and he simply repeated it today.

That's what I'm saying.

What I support, I accept that I'm not going to get,
because that was made clear to me a long time ago.
But What I will do is organize with Dr. Dean to make sure that
what Obama campaigned on, an option to where I would like to eventually end up is
part of the deal.

(".....But What I will do is organize with Dr. Dean to make sure that
what Obama campaigned on, an option to where I would like to eventually end up is
part of the deal.")



Dr. Dean knows that pressure needs to be applied now, and that it is not just the insurance industry that would like to permanently eliminate the public option, by mandating a voucher system of private insurance only options.

Such is the plan, including what can only be described as the PRIVATIZATION of MEDICARE, that is being peddled by "White House adviser", (& brother to the Chief of Staff), Zeke Emanuel.

The possibility of eliminating public options, and perhaps dooming future hopes of Single Payer healthcare, is, unfortunately, real.

Dr. Dean is right once again, and is in need of our support.