Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

In all the outrage over Obama's economic plan, has anyone contemplated

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 02:32 PM
Original message
In all the outrage over Obama's economic plan, has anyone contemplated
that it's possible that Obama's approach to the crisis is the best approach to spur economic recovery while protecting taxpayers?

Though fewer than the number of critics, there are economists who support his plan, and are willing to give it a chance:




Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 02:34 PM
Response to Original message
1. I have, but I don't know the answer. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 02:51 PM
Response to Original message
2. I've contemplated it
I think Krugman did a pretty good job coming back at DeLong

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8281884&mesg_id=8281884

and Roubini's support comes with a big caveat -

"A lot of ifs, but if indeed successful, the plan accomplishes mission No. 1, namely the removal of the bad assets from banks' balance sheets. Even if banks wanted to do this on their own, they can't because the market for these illiquid assets has dried up.

But let's not have any illusions. The government bears the risk if and when the investors take a bath on the taxpayer-provided loans. If the economy gets worse, it could get very ugly, very quickly. The administration should be transparent in making clear that there is still a wealth transfer taking place here - from taxpayers to investors and banks."




The only positive I can see is that this plan my succeed in kicking the can down the road aways. That could provide some breathing room for making the real change that's needed. Or not. It could create an even bigger mess, one from which Obama will have a very difficult time recovering from. The system is fundamentally flawed, and even the new regulations, as Greider points out in his interview with Moyer, give more power to the very institutions which helped get us in this mess.







Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. The piece linked to in the OP is in response to Krugman's comeback. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #3
8. yeah, well, DeLong's comeback -
inflation - doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 06:05 PM
Response to Reply #2
11. So many caveats and rosy scenarios from most who support it. The plan doesn't address teh root of
the problem. And throwing trillions of dollars at the oligarchs - these RICH, LYING, SCAMMING, CHEATING BANKSTERS is just WRONG.

Here's the great back and forth:

http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/24/will-the-geithner-plan-work/
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 03:36 PM
Response to Original message
4. While I Respect Krugman, Greider, and Others
I have a lot of respect for Brad deLong, too. Roubini has come out of nowhere -- he's been all over the place recently, and I don't know know what to make of him yet.

A lot of the question boils down to (1) whether the Obama plan is sufficient to address the crisis, and (2) how costly it is to the taxpayer.

Krugman thinks it isn't big enough to be effective, but that remains to be seen. What I think a lot of people miss in the Krugman plan is that is may be much costly in the long run for the taxpayers.

The Geithner plan invests a lot of money, all of which will be paid back provided the recipients stay in business. The only exception would be AIG, which gambled and lost more than it will ever be able to repay. But that is the price of presenting another row of dominoes from falling.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. Exactly. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 03:39 PM
Response to Original message
5. What Is Popular Is Not Always Right and What Is Right Is Not Always Popular
Edited on Mon Mar-30-09 03:40 PM by Median Democrat
Look at California's Proposition 8 banning gay marriage, as well as California's Proposition 187 banning the provision of services to undocumented immigrants.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 03:41 PM
Response to Original message
6. I'm willing to give it a chance. I also like Geithner more than most
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 05:34 PM
Response to Original message
9. Certainly worth a Rec'd~
thanks, ProSense.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
empyreanisles Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 05:53 PM
Response to Original message
10. I trust Obama has considered all the options, and picked this way for a reason.
So I am willing to wait to see how things transpire before I trash any approach. These are complicated circumstances without any *specific* precedent. Every approach is going to have risk/rewards.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-30-09 06:39 PM
Response to Original message
12. But it's not exactly what I want, so I'm not going to give it a chance.
I instead will spew vomit all over it...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Mon May 06th 2024, 12:02 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC