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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:00 PM
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What Would Be the Effect If Obama Re-instated the Glass-Steagall Act?
And why has Obama NOT re-instated the Glass-Steagall Act thus far?
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:03 PM
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1. He hasn't done it yet because HE CAN'T. Congress has to do that.
There's this little separation of powers thingy in the Constitution, which means, among other things, that Congress is responsible for enacting legislation. Not the President.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:09 PM
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6. His Justic Dept would be able to enforce anti-Trust Laws, though. Yes? Prosecute Racketeering?
Edited on Sat Apr-04-09 01:10 PM by KittyWampus
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:11 PM
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10. If it's not illegal there's nothing to prosecute.
What the banks have done since the repeal of Glass-Steagall is, unfortunately, legal.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:14 PM
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13. AIG lied about what they were doing. Not doing due diligence in financial transactions is illegal
There was certainly illegal activity going on.

That's the problem.

Not only is Obama refusing to investigate, he's refusing to admit the truth.
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 05:23 PM
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34. I Think You Are Thinking Of A Shareholder Derivative Suit
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guy Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:20 PM
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16. He could tell congress that he wants a bill on his desk.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:33 PM
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18. How do you know he hasn't?
Still, it's been more than two months and he hasn't fixed everything yet!! Damn him, WHERE'S MY PONY?

:sarcasm:
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guy Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:08 PM
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24. Hey, I was just saying how...
the prez can ask for a bill. He doesn't have to wait on congress to ask him how he feels.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 05:26 PM
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35. Because if he had he would use the media to do it.
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:49 PM
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20. Exactly!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:33 PM
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26. Chucklenuts used to do that all the time
And *poof*, a bill would magically appear on his desk - just like he asked.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:03 PM
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2. Because legislation...
...is passed by Congress, not the President?

Certainly a possibility.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:06 PM
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3. How can you undo what is done?
Glass Steagall kept banks from diversifying into other financial services and insurance.

Since G/S was squashed, how do you tell an existing bank--that has also expanded into insurance, etc--that
they can no longer do those things?

Would the banks have to spin off these other areas?

Would people lose their jobs?

It seems pretty difficult to backtrack on this one. Unfortunately.
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guy Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:09 PM
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7. Not backtracking.
Just rebuilding the wall that protected us from this kind of event. The protections and regulations can be put back in place.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 03:18 PM
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29. You gots it, Guy! nt
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:48 PM
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19. We tell them the same way we did in 1930 when the billl was passed.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:06 PM
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4. Endless squaking from CNBC and Wall Street
nt
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 03:19 PM
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30. Like they won't squak anyway. nt
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:08 PM
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5. He can't reinstate an act that was repealed by Congress. duh.
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:09 PM
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8. Change Obama to congress
And the answer would be

I dont know what the effect would be

Why hasnt Congress re-isntated it yet? Cause they are owned by Wall Street.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:10 PM
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9. Glass-Steagall was a law ...
Edited on Sat Apr-04-09 01:11 PM by RoyGBiv
Other laws were passed that superseded its provisions. One does not "reinstate" a law without first going through the whole process of passing that law in the first place.

Let me just say this again for emphasis. Obama is not a dictator. He is the chief officer of the Executive branch. That actually does mean something, despite what Bush would have had you believe.

As for the effect, this can't be stated with any certainty. Glass-Steagall was passed under a specific set of circumstances to prevent those circumstances from taking place. They took place to some extent anyway even before Graham-Leach-Bliley, strongly arguing that we need a new and more robust regulation system than what was provided by Glass-Steagall, one that is not as susceptible to the whim of a given Congress or President.



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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:12 PM
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11. Which means Obama would need to dust off the Justic Dept and get it moving. There are laws
dealing with banks and corporations and conspiracies.

The Federal Govt also has various agencies with oversight of financial sector.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:16 PM
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14. Eric Holder is too busy letting guilty Republicans off and trying to prosecute more people...
...for marijuana. It's crazy!
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 03:22 PM
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31. Well, you know blue collar crime could
ruin the country. We can't allow working America to have bad morals. White collar crime? They are all criminals to start with so it won't matter. :sarcasm:
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:24 PM
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17. Yes, there are laws ...

None of which are designed to allow the executive to deal with the present situation effectively.

Holder could prosecute people until the cows come home for various crimes here and there, and the banking system is still going to be a disastrous mess just waiting for the next set of criminals to take over.

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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:48 PM
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28. FAIL
moving the goalposts may keep the other side from scoring, but it ain't football anymore.
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keep_it_real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:53 PM
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22. I agree Congress must re-instate the law But Obama can at least talk it up.
Say he wants the bill on his desk as the poster suggested above.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:02 PM
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23. But which bill?

Again, simply re-writing Glass-Steagall isn't going to cut it.

We need a far more comprehensive system than that, along with some fundamental re-thinking of how the banking system functions at its foundations. This takes time.

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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:12 PM
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12. More important to re-instate banking before the Garn-St. Germaine Act
Repealing a deregulatory statute isn't enough. They have to come up with a new model for banking. I think the repeal of Glass-Steagall was relatively unimportant compared to the Garn-St. Germaine Act, which eliminated local banking -- the kind of local thrift banking (savings and loans, savings banks) portrayed in the movie, "It's a Wonderful Life."

We could recreate that system, which would be much more stable, and serve our interests much better. But it would take having a positive model, not just "undoing" something of the past.

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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:17 PM
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15. I think that would be like squeezing toothpaste back into the tube.
Edited on Sat Apr-04-09 01:22 PM by Kdillard
Also as has been brought out President Obama desn't have the power to repeal or reinstste laws. Timothy Geithner made proposals for regulating the system so that we have a way of winding down things and so that we are getting protected from comapnies that are systemic risks. I believe more details will be forthcoming in the next few months with the administration and in Congress. A very important conversation will be happening about how we move forward and what is needed to keep our fancial system safe in the future. The repeal of Glass-Seegal while a problem was not the only problem.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:50 PM
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21. How about Congress do their job? All Obama has to do is sign
.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:23 PM
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25. Deconstruction.
Breaking down the big banks and insurance companies into their component parts. It might resemble the breakup of a monopoly such as Ma Bell only applied to several companies instead of just one.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:34 PM
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27. That would not be an instant effect. We would need to disassemble these
institutions, which would have to be a careful process given how fused they have become. The toxic assets still remain on their books and they have to be removed. No short term fundamental problem would really be solved. In the long term it would be a good thing, however.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 03:47 PM
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32. Obama threatened to do just that during the meeting with bank CEOs
in response to Ken Lewis (BofA) bitching about all the banks "being painted with a broad brush." He said we need to differentiate between commercial and investments banks! Whaaaaa

Obama's brilliant response?

"Okay, how about if I call up Byron Dorgan and ask him to reinstate the Glass Steagall Act?"

Lewis' response? crickets

ROLF. I thought it was a brilliant comeback by Obama.

This was recounted in an American Banker article right after the meeting with bank CEOs, but I can't seem to get on to their Web site to get a link.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 04:01 PM
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33. He has to do something close to GS or make the banks who want to be investment houses disclose more
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 05:30 PM
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37. There were some other gems from this meeting too. Obama is not some tool.
He is a man stuck in the middle. He's not sitting in Washington twisting his waxed moustache trying to figure out how to be a "corporate whore" today. However, there are tremendous pressures lobbying Obama, the overwhelming majority of them are the voices of Wall Street corporatists. I appreciate his attempts to find a middle way, but ultimately I think it is important that we keep using whatever voice we have to lobby the president to make even more or a break with corporatocracy that put us in this mess, even if doing so is politically risky. It's a risk that we NEED our president to take.


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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 05:27 PM
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36. Larry Summers would fire him.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 06:09 PM
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38. Meaningless without oversight. Lack thereof is what got us where we are. nt
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