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blueclown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:02 PM
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NY Times: Obama to Push Immigration Bill as One Priority
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/09/us/politics/09immig.html?hp

While acknowledging that the recession makes the political battle more difficult, President Obama plans to begin addressing the country’s immigration system this year, including looking for a path for illegal immigrants to become legal, a senior administration official said on Wednesday.

Mr. Obama will frame the new effort — likely to rouse passions on all sides of the highly divisive issue — as “policy reform that controls immigration and makes it an orderly system,” said the official, Cecilia Muñoz, deputy assistant to the president and director of intergovernmental affairs in the White House.

Mr. Obama plans to speak publicly about the issue in May, administration officials said, and over the summer he will convene working groups, including lawmakers from both parties and a range of immigration groups, to begin discussing possible legislation for as early as this fall.

Some White House officials said that immigration would not take precedence over the health care and energy proposals that Mr. Obama has identified as priorities. But the timetable is consistent with pledges Mr. Obama made to Hispanic groups in last year’s campaign.


In broad outlines, officials said, the Obama administration favors legislation that would bring illegal immigrants into the legal system by recognizing that they violated the law, and imposing fines and other penalties to fit the offense. The legislation would seek to prevent future illegal immigration by strengthening border enforcement and cracking down on employers who hire illegal immigrants, while creating a national system for verifying the legal immigration status of new workers.


How much will these fines be? Most illegal immigrant families are having a hard enough time putting food on the table as is...
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Cash_thatswhatiwant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:06 PM
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1. This will be a hard issue for him. But the more Republicans try and demonize illegal immigrants
the more they will alienate themselves in the southwest.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:07 PM
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2. Fines couldn't be significant since most don't have any money.
I'm sure the hispanic groups working with the administration will figure something out. Whatever the answer....Lou Dobbs' head will explode!
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:08 PM
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3. Idiots. (nt)
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:11 PM
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7. What don't you explain yourself....
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:18 PM
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8. As in it's going to waste A LOT of political capital at a time when we need that for other issues.
Edited on Wed Apr-08-09 10:20 PM by w4rma
Other much more important issues.

Democrats touching this is like the Republicans touching the third rail of Social Security. We're going to get burnt and we won't like the results.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:39 PM
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11. So you don't believe that the President should fulfill his campaign promise
to the hispanic community?

Strange. Considering so many demand that he addresses issues that he didn't promise he would address....and all this time I thought you were so principled about things!
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 12:21 PM
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22. This is just another giveaway to Wall Street towards reducing wages, from what I can tell. (nt)
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:08 PM
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4. This will go nowhere until the economy recovers
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:10 PM
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5. This won't pass until next yr sometime
But its good that he puts it out there, to uphold the promise. I doubt it makes it to either floor until next yr
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:10 PM
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6. It might mean that many of them can start being paid more than sub-par wages.....
I'm sure that's worth something!

I'd imagine many who live in the shadows would pay what is required to come up from there.

If given a choice, I'm sure many would rather pay a couple of thousand dollars, than continue to get paid $4.00 less per hour than what the work is worth for years on end!

Most of these folks pay into a social security system that they never get paid from via their fake SSN, and are living in fear of getting caught each and every day.

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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:34 PM
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10. As soon as you make the current illegals legal
crooked employers will just hire more illegal immigrants to work for sub-par wages. And with the economy in the shape that it's in, they'll easily find them.

It's like illegal drugs, as long as there are users, there will always be suppliers.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:40 PM
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12. So fuck the Hispanics, hey?
Let them live in the shadows forever!

How practical!
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:49 PM
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13. Ok, so how do you break the cycle?
The current group of Hispanics here illegally get legalized. They want minimum wage, so crooked employers have to find more illegal immigrants to do that work. We legalize them in a few years, and more undocumented workers show up to take their jobs for less than minimum wage.

Eventually, the entire country of Mexico is up here. Is that what you're advocating?

I'd rather we just crack down on employers who hire workers who cannot pass verification of legal employment status. A surefire technique would be to disallow deduction of wages paid to someone who is not a legal worker.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:57 PM
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15. The immigration policy that Obama will propose will not ignore employers.....
as he is not stupid nor naive....and so I'm not sure how you can justify providing answers to your own questions in such a circular insular manner leaving out important components to any sane immigration policy.


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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 11:02 PM
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16. We'll see what happens to it
after Congress gets done with it. There are a lot of vested interests out there who have managed to keep crooked employers out of trouble, even while they violate the law with a wink.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 11:27 PM
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17. Well, what we do have is an awesome Sec. of Labor!
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 11:29 PM
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20. I'm sure Carlos Slim would stay home.
Being the richest guy in the world has its perks, particularly if he can export all the people who live in his country.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 11:28 PM
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19. Maybe the country in which they are citizens should take care of them? n/t
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 11:36 PM
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21. Now you're thinking right.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:25 PM
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9. This "reform bill" was written by the chamber of commerce & big biz to further erode wages
Do a little research on this "immigration reform" and the groups paying for it.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 10:53 PM
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14. Can we include abolishing the H-1B visa program in this plan?
Might as well bulk it up with ipecac for the Repukes.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-08-09 11:27 PM
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18. Here's an important windmill to tilt at.
Clearly, this recession and the resultant unemployment rate calls for more workers.

Republicans = tax cut panacea
Democrats = immigration reform panacea

Personally, I think we just need more cowbell.
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