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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 11:30 AM
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Obama as useless as Carter, according to douchebag who went to high school with me.
This douchebag I knew in high school said on Facebook that because the President has not made any public statements about that piracy/hostage thing going on that he is as useless as Carter. Apparently "useless" = a reluctance to engage in gratuitious violence. So, recovery act passed, budget passed, productive foreign trip in the first 10 weeks in office is enough to conclude that Obama is "useless." Hmmm. I'm thinking that guy arrived at that conclusion long before the President was sworn in.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 11:43 AM
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1. Piracy *Is* Something Obama Needs to Address
Hostages are an emotional issue for a lot of Americans.

But I don't think saber-rattling and whipping up public fervor help at all. Obama will work on the issue in his own effective way.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 11:59 AM
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6. Well sure.
My guess is he wants to know what he is talking about before saying anything.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 12:01 PM
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9. And it's not just our hostages
There are 240 others.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 11:45 AM
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2. Armed Renegades Around the World Need To Know They Can Capture the President's Attention Anytime /nt
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 11:46 AM
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3. I didn't see Bush so tough when the Chinese had that Spy plane and 20 US soldiers
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 12:04 PM
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12. Bush only attacked countries who could not fight back (much). nt
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JayMusgrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 11:49 AM
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4. I think it's time you give up on reading your "douchebag" friend's
Facebook page.


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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 12:01 PM
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10. He's not my friend.
His brother is my friend. The brother posted something of general interest about the subject and douchebag responded with that. Now, my friend from high school is into libertarianism and likes Ayn Rand, but he is generally not a douchebag.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 11:55 AM
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5. well, thanks for sharing ;)
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 12:00 PM
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7. We need a plan to save around 240 hostages before we start blowing shit up.
And I'm for going after these guys.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 12:01 PM
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8. I really admire President Carter.
Remember it was the right wing that was publicly criticizing Carter for negotiating with hostages, while in secret they were pulling off the Iran Contra scandal which cost Carter a second term.

"The Iran-Contra scandal can be traced to the October Surprise during the 1980 Presidential election between incumbent Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. In the fall of 1980, Carter was marginally leading Reagan in the polls with the election right around the corner. The release of hostages before election day presumably would have insured the election for Carter. The Reagan team conspired to negotiate a deal with Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran. Campaign manager William Casey and George Bush met with Iranian Prime Minister Bani-sadr in Paris in October, only weeks before the election and with Carter having a slight lead over Reagan. Part of the deal cut between the Reagan team and Iran was to provide military weapons which Iran desperately needed in its war with Iraq. As it turned out, the 52 American hostages remained captive in Teheran. Carter's popularity continued to plummet, enabling Reagan to be elected in November, and ironically the hostages were returned at 12 o'clock noon on January 21, 1981 when Reagan was inaugurated.

The first meeting regarding arms-to-Iran occurred in July 1980 in Barcelona, Spain and not in Madrid as was initially reported. The Republican team met at the Hotel Princess Sofia and at the Pepsico International headquarters. The American team was led by Republican campaign director William Casey, who months later was to be named CIA chief by Reagan, and by Robert McFarlane, who later became National Security adviser under Reagan. Three months after Barcelona, a more important meeting took place in Paris. CIA agent Richard Brenneke testified that Bush was in Paris on Sunday, October 19, 1980 when he met with members of the Khomeini regime to consummate an arms package to Iran. Bush, along with Casey and other government officials, flew to Paris on a BAC 111 on Saturday evening, October 18. The plane arrived in Paris on Sunday morning October 19 at 8:40 a.m. European time."

http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/jphuck/BOOK3Ch7.ht



To be compared to Carter is a good thing. Carter was a good man and a good president. His presidency was undermined by the right wing and their illegal activity capped by the Iran Contra Affair.


"I am reminded that those who do not remember history are condemned to repeat it."

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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-09-09 12:02 PM
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11. Carter accomplished a lot. nt
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