A year ago, two years ago, when talk of getting a Democratic president in...all agreed

that it would be a long haul, and a hard buisness to try and clean up the the mess that the Bush administration and the republican party and cabal had made over the years.. Much of it going back to Reagan and how they jimmied the numbers.

From freaking day one, it has been a howl on how this administration did not get it all right from midnight.

Heck we had people going around the bend before the inauguration.

Every morning I stop by to see what the latest outrage is.

And I am never disappointed.

the people complaining may wrap themselves in the flag of righteous anger, but if you notice, none of them ever liked Obama to begin with. So they're kinda transparent.
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:hi:.. not all certainly by a surprising number..

to one of the impatient ones.

It's a fact. They wanted a Pure Progressive Knight on a white horse. A fairy tale.

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Nice that we can bash a Dem that works tirelessly for the American people. That stinks!

Kucinich or someone like him would have probably lost. It would have been an immense gamble for the party to have nominated him.

This thread is a pile-on and you didn't need to throw Kucinich or his supporters on to it.

stop cheerleading kucinich.

supporters post regularly here on DU.

If he wanted to actually get some of his policies passed, there are much better courses of action Rep. Kucinich could take. He chooses not to because he prefers being a DU All-Star instead.

Don't confuse grandstanding with work.

What a waste.

He may not have carried so many new Congress critters as Obama did on his coat tails - however I remain to be convinced that the Republican voting Democratic Senators are doing anything but damage to the Democratic Party.

Step out of dream world.

for a Messiah..This idea that any one human being could be all things to all people at all times, .. fairy tale is about it

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...as if you have some real truth to testify to. you do not. you have your obviously extremely biased opinion. your post is just another obamaphilic zero.

But i ask this of the dissenters. I want to know if they would cheer lead with their choice in office or if all candidates would receive their ire.

Obama really addressed the greatest part of my concerns of all the canidates (I am in Iowa), and I got to see them all up close and personal...

you are simply inferior thinkers.

B. I liked Obama the best out of all the canidates that I got to see in person?

One of those, both.. have to be more specific what you find inferior..

disclaim responsibility and ownership.

Sad, eh, and indeed and they'll continue for the next 8 years to show dissatisfaction with each and every decision the President makes. I remember that at the end of Bill Clinton's second term, there were still people who believed rabidly that Tsongas would have made a better President.

is a big stretch from refusing to accept the fact that someone else won. Maybe Tsongas (and the VP which inherited his incomplete second term) would have been better? It's arguable that Bill's Monica problem brought us GW.

There are undoubtedly candidates who would have acted immediately to get us out of Iraq. There are candidates who would have dropped the legal defense of wiretaps and dungeons.

This president has not.

I'm not dissatisfied with every decision Obama makes. Only the bad ones.

they claim some yet bitch on all.

I know a bunch of liberal folks and many are disappointed about this decision or that decision but all are relieved the "W" years are behind us and without exception they still strongly support Obama. I hate to play the "race card" but it does make you wonder sometimes.

and nada, not a thing on that.. nothing, no credit.. in fact the more he actually accomplishes, the more disappointed some seem to be. To the point that they question their vote?

I just don't know..

nt

whatnot.

what a pain in the ass we are.

:shrug:

nt

ok, I'll be more clear:

I"m sorry for that.


happy now? you get to complain about complainers and demand an apology and still be a dick about it... what a red letter day for you!

but now that it's been explained so nicely and all, then I certainly accept your apology

my two biggest issues were torture and the increased militarism in the middle east.

am I supposed to lie and hide my head in the sand and say Obama is handling those issues as I would have liked?

I still support him as president, and I think he is doing a fine job in aggregate, but I will not, as a compassionate human being, ignore what he's done (or hasn't done) on my main issues.

certain group of people who always hated his ass...

surely you can see those posts?

we can't express discontent with specific things we see wrong.

that kind of attitude concerns me, because it reminds of the previous 8 years.

most people know I"m completely behind Obama, but at the same time, I do NOT approve thus far of his handling of the torture issue and ramping up troops in afghanistan.

but that's just me: those were my two core issues, so I'm not going to be happy compromising on them.

and your erection of a strawman is pretty relentless. The OP is clearly talking about those constant bitchers who do nothing but trash Obama day in and day out. I dig the fact that you don't like the military ramp up in the ME. I would rather we be out all together. But of all the candidates that we could have put forward, he was the best. What other candidate would you prefer?

to which the OP refers.

between posting issues of this nature in a credible way and bringing in MSM bashing stories and attacks that clearly reflect RW talking points. IMHO, the latter is who the OP is referring to.

All it takes is an executive order, and we have Habeas Corpus rights again. All it takes is an executive order and the wiretaps stop. All it takes is an executive order and we become a country of laws again.

I have a pen, if you'd like to borrow it, Mr President.

with my real name and address to the powers that be on that.

back then. im sorry you decided you didnt like it anymore.


i recall tons of people at the beginning of the primary complaining that they thought obama was to much to the right, a long with hillary.

dont fault people for choosing democrats when faced with the question of democrats or republicans, as i recall that was a big rallying cry around DU back in 2004... ANYBODY BUT BUSH!

dont act like there has never been dissent against obama on du.

you are only kidding yourself.

To add to the 300+ threads about the same subject we have seen over the last months. All unproductive, all encouraging flames, all decreasing the signal to noise ratio. More rhetorical chaff taking up bandwidth, encouraging negativity towards other DUers, and generally avoiding the issues themselves.

It is these kinds of OPs that are causing this place to more resemble a school playground than a place where adults meet to discuss politics.

if this bothers you, then by all means put all my threads on ignore..

Dissent got silenced here today.

I suggest that you ask Skinner to place in background music with hidden subliminal messages, then, before long you will find almost everyone will be thinking correctly...except maybe those without speakers...

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I just disagree with certain things and deicisions. that is not the same thing as slamming. Its called expressing my opinion.

It's the people who are constantly looking for an excuse to trash the guy. The ones who accuse him of 'raping the middle class.'

but, if you find this a flamebait thread, please feel free never to click on any thread I ever post again. It will do wonders for your blood pressure

and honestly assess your motive. If not to flamebait, then what?

no thanks..

at least I'm active aggressive. more honest.

I was laid off in december, traveled 2,000 miles for a job that ended in march. I'm here away from my family (wife and son I haven't seen since January) and a job I was applying for that I thought I had a good chance to get fell through the same day I read your thread. I don't have enough money to pay both rent here and mortgage back home and I can't afford to move what little furniture I have here so I have to abandon it.

I was bitter and angry and took it out on this thread (and you). I'm really sorry about that. I didn't realize that is what I was doing at the time...I kind of came to my senses this morning.




again, my apologies.

Trust me on this... we are on the same team just practice jousting to take on the "other" side with the real deal in verbal skills.


I wish you well and hope it all turns out for the best. I am sitting on pins and needles right now, I still have my job, but cutbacks are coming in July. I think I am okay, but it until August first comes, it is anybodys guess.

But being away from your family, wow that has to be so tough.. Much tougher than anything most of us are facing right now..

Any time you want to go a few rounds just to let off some steam, let me know.. I am here for you


By the way, you are a tough old bird too ;)

. . .is enough. Just like simple duty that was demanded of each Member of Congress: to open their mouths and say "We must impeach and remove Bush and Cheney."

A whole bunch of "us" have persistently and consistently called on our elected officials to do what duty compels. Congress failed. We will never erase the stain of that failure.

But now it is Obama's turn to speak. To open his mouth and tell the American people the truth: "We know all we need to know. American principle, U.S. Code, and International Law demands one thing: The Immediate Prosecution of Bush and Cheney and the other government officials who ordered Americans to torture."

To "denounce" torture, and then use the power to office to protect the torturers from impeachment/prosecution is irrational at best, duplicitous at worse. And tragically for Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Holder, Panetta, and the "loyal Democrats" who have been following suit, it also makes one an accomplice to War Crimes.

To point these truths is not "outrageous" -- it is desperately needed "tough love."

they didn't start on day one, they started in Nov 2008.

:)

They started the day after Super Tuesday. :P

for the general.

Because there was plenty of time to heal the divide right?

.. but are not being done, should we just sit on our thumbs and whistle? How are our politicians, especially a president who is pretty much stuck in a vacuum created long before he ever took the office, supposed to know how the people feel unless we tell them? Because it's plain as day that there are lobbyists and corporations who have their ears, and they have a much easier time getting access than any of us do.

And they need their posts deleted. If they vote anti-Obama in DU polls, BAN THEM! I would like the admins to pick a few of our best DUers to start a corp to mark people for banning. We need to coordinate efforts better to purify this place of the stench.

Everyone has helped me see how wrong I was for questioning the administration.

I would think it would be one of the success stories of DU. I mean, why all these posts about others and then question the few times you succeed in reaching people? Isn't that what you're trying to do?

....

I'm sorry, I shouldn't use that tone with you. Your unwavering commitment has been an inspiration to me.

What am I going to do.. fall apart, run to Skinner, "people are calling me names" or stand by my commitment and principles, and keep on keeping on..

The loyalty oath thing and the no criticism thing is so Free Republic.

Kucinich is great and he gets unfairly bashed here (without him, it would be more ho-hum in Washington - what we need are rabble-rousers,) but even he would have to see the big picture.

For being too left.

For criticizing government for the same things she has been criticizing for 8 long years here.

For speaking her mind in a clear and polite manner about issues that effect her family directly.

You should be rejoicing.

She has been silenced.

One less voice to question Obama or the Dems.

One less voice.

One less voice.

Many others will follow, by choice or not.

When you complain about dissent...be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.

All that will be left will be a center moderate fansite.

I don't think that is what you want.

But that is the result when you crush dissent.

After tonight DU might be a quiter or more positive place with puppy threads and picture threads.

But the discussion, the debate, that is slowly dying.

(I want to make something clear to you...I don't dislike you. I am glad we are both democrats, i bet we have way more in common then we disagree on. in fact i bet we disagree less on the goal and more on the how to get there part. Shutting down conversation, even conversation we disagree with, hurts us all. your post, whether you intended it or not shuts down that discourse. Posts like yours cause good people to be driven away and in the end we all lose. You will end up with an echo chamber and echo chambers never live long)

I don't know if I ever chatted with her or not, but always sad to see people banned.

I have seen other people banned and back in a very quick span of time.

Maybe she will be back soon.

We are all here as guests of the moderators in the end.

Who knows, who will go next, maybe me.

I seem to get on peoples nerves pretty easily.

Ask the mods to reconsider Marrah, they seem like reasonable people

I didnt want you to feel I was attacking you personally- because I like you.

As you can see, I take very little personally. I spent 11 years at another board under constant attack from right wingers that makes our little dustups among like thinking progressives a walk in the park. I never get angry, and I never back down..

I will always have your back in the foxhole, but you may not want to spend an afternoon having coffee with me,:rofl:

I should head to bed. Been in tears for a bit and its made me tired.

Have a good night Peace and please think about that I said. We do need all the voices on the left, even those we disagree with.

:hug:

:hug:

Mods just made it clear that this is now a fansite and not an underground progressive-leftie sort of site so I am off to more liberal pastures.

Be well :)

I know you are upset..but don't go.. Get some sleep, and let the waters settle a little.

Give the mods a chance to catch their breath also.

Things have a way of working out..

...it's been a howl about what's wrong with the nation and what ought to be done.

Obama is sitting in the big chair now, a willing target of the howls. Post bush/Cheney, we can't afford many more missteps, so we will continue to howl.

You're welcome.