Democrats must not allow the Republicans to justify torture since it produced intelligence.

olegramps

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Thu Apr-23-09 10:18 AM
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Democrats must not allow the Republicans to justify torture since it produced intelligence.

I hope that we stay on issue. The issue being that the use of torture is unacceptable regardless if it produces some intelligence of value. Democrats can not allow the Republicans to justify the use of torture by claiming that it produced intelligence that saved American lives. This will be the main thrust of the Republicans' spin as already demonstrated by Cheney. There argument will be simple: They save American lives.

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Peacetrain

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Thu Apr-23-09 10:20 AM
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1. I agree, we have to keep that mirror up to them, that was they

did was so unamerican, that it can never be allowed to rise again.

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islandgirl808

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Thu Apr-23-09 10:24 AM
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2. grrr

if they just paid attention to the warning signs pre-9/11 by exercising caution instead of blatantly ignoring it, there wouldn't be a need for torture. :banghead:

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alsame

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Thu Apr-23-09 10:29 AM
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3. And someone needs to ask them where the torture justification will

end. Can we now start torturing murder suspects/rapists/pedophiles in order to potentially save lives?

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Zen Democrat

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Thu Apr-23-09 10:37 AM
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4. The results are completely immaterial. Does genocide yield results?

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Bluenorthwest

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Thu Apr-23-09 11:01 AM
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5. Slavery produced lots of cotton

That does not change the fact that it is morally reprehensible. The ends never justify the means.

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ladjf

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Thu Apr-23-09 11:47 AM
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6. The law against torture was not predicated on the assumption that

torture was only illegal if it failed to produce useful information. Simple as that. nt

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olegramps

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Fri Apr-24-09 08:34 AM
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7. This type of reasoning dominates the thinking of fascists. The ends justify the means.

I don't want to exaggerate, but I do believe that our school systems have failed in recent years to teach basic ethics. Not religion, but ethics.

I am also of the opinion that far too many churches have also concentrated on devisive issues while ignoring the basics. I may be naive but what kind of world would this be if we just attempted to keep the Ten Commandments and the primary one of Christianity of treating others as you would wish to be treated. It would indeed be as near a paradise as we could hope for. No lying, cheating, stealing, murder, no unchecked greed; you can only dream.

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