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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:50 AM Original message |
Why do 92% of the French buy Supplemental private health Insurance if they have Single Payer? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:58 AM Response to Original message |
1. Also, one of the reasons that many of the doctors are women is that |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:01 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Why would we have to copy them? nt |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:04 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I'm just asking....... |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:09 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Many people in the U.S. wish to expand medicade and medicare into single payer |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:14 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I know a little about France...... |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:20 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. I think it is pretty cool 92% of French peope can afford supplemental coverage. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:27 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. What happens is that when you go to the doctor, |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:41 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Interesting. Do you know anything about Canada's system? I don't. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:46 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. I think we can only walk back into a single payer....... |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 07:58 PM Response to Reply #14 |
199. In Canada, doctors cannot charge over the fee they have negotiated with their Provincial Governments |
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Doremus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #10 |
52. In the US, docs who participate in Medicare agree to accept the govt fee schedule. |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #52 |
200. i have to agree with you. they system is already in place and has a structure set up. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #8 |
57. In spite of all that devilish taxation! amazing.... |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #7 |
80. you don't? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 04:10 AM Response to Reply #7 |
130. You might try googling HR 676/1200 |
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AspenRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
62. Her mom is French. She was born in France. |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 04:09 AM Response to Reply #4 |
28. It is not single payer. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
71. Who says Frances health care system is the best? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:37 AM Response to Reply #71 |
127. It was ranked #1 by the World Health Organization in 2001 |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
99. The no rationing has nothing to do with the insurance. There were no rationing before they were |
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kaygore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
111. Actually, France is considered about middle of the pack |
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kaygore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
112. PS--My friends in France LOVE the system |
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Hieronymus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
101. Why not copy the number one rated health care system in the world? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 08:32 PM Response to Reply #101 |
113. The best can often be approved upon. nt |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:34 AM Response to Reply #113 |
126. Do you have any suggestions as to how to improve upon the French system? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 05:28 AM Response to Reply #126 |
131. Make it single payer, 100% paid. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 05:44 AM Response to Reply #131 |
132. They have single-payer in Canada, it's ranked 30th by the WHO |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #132 |
139. There must be some other difference than all paid versus some paid. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #139 |
140. It's about the incentive structure and not having the 100% reimbursement is a good idea |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #139 |
201. Here is some info on the WHO report... |
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clarence swinney (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #131 |
172. single payer 100% |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:32 AM Response to Reply #101 |
125. I've been asking that question a lot lately |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:02 AM Response to Original message |
3. Holy crap, you are arguing for private insurance now? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:10 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Now that you have had your snark.....maybe we can have a conversation.... |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 04:07 AM Response to Reply #6 |
26. Fair enough, and my apologies for the snark |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 04:44 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. But but but, how in the world |
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TheBigotBasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 05:37 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Have they explained why a 5% increase in budget |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:46 AM Response to Reply #30 |
38. Since we are an empire, we need a strong military, but we also need a "wise" military. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #38 |
83. well... |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #38 |
84. that is really interesting |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:08 AM Response to Reply #26 |
45. But Wall Street needs that military budget and they have priority. Other nations might nationalize |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
94. LOL!!! I just said the same thing before reading your post. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #26 |
147. Man, we could so kick Luxembourg's ass. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 08:27 AM Response to Reply #147 |
194. Wouldn't it be cheaper to hire Russia to kick their ass though? |
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Norrin Radd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 12:51 AM Response to Reply #147 |
206. It would be a quagmire. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
82. But it isn't easier for you to argue against single payer.. |
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cyclezealot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:22 AM Response to Original message |
9. We live here. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:29 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Thanks for the detailed information. |
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cyclezealot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:38 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. With single payer , we' d have recourse for bad doctors. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:42 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. I would love free College here, period. |
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cyclezealot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:48 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. In Roussillon |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:52 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I do not know that area well....although I have heard that it is beautiful. |
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cyclezealot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 04:08 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Which region of Paris is that.. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:16 AM Response to Reply #27 |
35. Thanks for the reality based information |
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clarence swinney (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 02:10 PM Response to Reply #15 |
173. free college |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:48 AM Response to Reply #9 |
50. Thank you for a fantastic post!! |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
81. Disappointing that the editorial ignores some important facts you gave us. |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. And talks about physician choice as a problem-- as though we had it in the USA |
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clarence swinney (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #85 |
174. hmo pay off physicians |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. And it carefully avoids mentioning the reasonable prices French pay for health care. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 10:20 PM Response to Reply #81 |
155. Kind of ironic, too... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:40 AM Response to Original message |
13. The French have the best system in the world according to the WHO |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:44 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. That's why I brought it up..... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 04:03 AM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Canada has single-payer, but you can buy private insurance |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 08:52 AM Response to Reply #24 |
44. Basically. I've come to the same determination. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:20 PM Response to Reply #44 |
109. Indeed. No doctor in this country is going to go for socialized |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 04:08 AM Response to Reply #109 |
129. Bullshit |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #129 |
146. There is a big difference between socialized medicine and |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 03:06 AM Response to Reply #146 |
152. So, explain why you disagree with Physicians for a National Health Plan, then n/t |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 11:03 PM Response to Reply #152 |
156. I'm not against it but as it is currently proposed needs some |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 02:41 AM Response to Reply #156 |
158. That is crap. Under single payer, doctors are NOT government employees |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 10:14 AM Response to Reply #158 |
166. "Unlike with private insurance, you get to choose ANY doctor." |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 01:27 AM Response to Reply #166 |
187. This is flat out wrong. A tiny number of extremely expensive plans offer doctor choice, and then- |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #187 |
195. You know NOT of which you speak. I, personally, chose the |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 04:07 AM Response to Reply #195 |
208. You represent 1% of the employed population. The rest of us go to doctors of our employer's choice |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #166 |
203. That is NOT what universal coverage means... |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 09:43 AM Response to Reply #203 |
210. ok, but don't the doctors have to negotiate their fee for sevice? |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #210 |
212. Ummm, I stated exactly that in my post... |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #212 |
213. Yes, you clearly stated that. Had to go back and re-read. |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #213 |
215. It was not my intention to intimate the Canadian system is supported by ... |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #215 |
216. And a good question, indeed. This should be interesting. |
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Chisox08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 09:26 PM Response to Reply #166 |
205. You are wrong on that front. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 09:44 PM Response to Reply #158 |
217. Yes, doctors are private practitioners under single payer |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #156 |
175. What a low opion you have of doctors. I believe I heard it reported on the TV news |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #175 |
178. I don't know what kind of 'problem' you think I have and is |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #178 |
179. Well, that they were only capable of being motivated by money. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #179 |
181. Suppose the gov't took control over YOUR chosen |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #181 |
183. Well, with me, it's very, very simple, and no doubt I'll sound to you like Forrest Gump. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #183 |
184. The most dedicated doctors I have ever known loved their |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 07:05 PM Response to Reply #184 |
185. So, now it's not they who are venal and need financial motivation, you're venal |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #185 |
186. Incentive and motivation will always be key factors in the |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 05:57 AM Response to Reply #186 |
191. How about the incentive of not having to pay for the bullshit of dealing with |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 08:20 AM Response to Reply #186 |
192. Just the nature of them that isn't. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 05:56 AM Response to Reply #185 |
190. Doctors in Canada were pleased that their incomes went up 1/3 after single payer |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 08:21 AM Response to Reply #190 |
193. Precisely. There is always a presumption on DU - totally false, |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 05:53 AM Response to Reply #181 |
189. That's odd. Firefighters seem to be good at what they do |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #189 |
196. And they don't make NEARLY what they are worth. You made |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 04:04 AM Response to Reply #196 |
207. Right. Let's pay them all $500,000 a year. Doctors and lawyers too |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #207 |
211. Most 'shitstains' have a high level of self-esteem. eom. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 10:42 PM Response to Reply #211 |
218. You mean inflated sense of self-worth |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #24 |
88. To get to the system you want, we need the Single Payer advocates |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 05:05 AM Response to Reply #16 |
32. i don't think it's so much that they want them factored out as much as it is that |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:54 AM Response to Reply #13 |
58. Our insurance companies in the UK and the US are, frankly, criminals. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:44 PM Response to Reply #58 |
104. Sorry, I don't buy this Anglo/American greed nonsense |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 08:14 AM Response to Reply #104 |
133. Well, of course, it's the system I'm criticising. But it didn't grow in a vacuum. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #133 |
138. Look the bottom line is that France has the best health care system in the world |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #138 |
142. But I've explained to you that British and American insurance companies are |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 04:41 PM Response to Reply #142 |
143. If their alternative is extinction then yes I think they will accept all of those things |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #143 |
153. No. It is clear Obama doesn't believe he has the power to impose |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 01:30 AM Response to Reply #153 |
157. What's my interest? |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 06:29 AM Response to Reply #157 |
161. But it's a false assumption - at least a gratuitous one - that the reason it is considered to be |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #161 |
167. A proper mix of socialism and capitalism tends to make for the best system |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #167 |
169. There are a lot of things we all know are highly desirable that are |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #169 |
171. I see no such difficulty |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 05:00 PM Response to Reply #171 |
180. "You make the laws and you enforce the laws. " Are you Rip Van Winkle? |
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MessiahRp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #13 |
75. How closely does it rate to England's NHS? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:29 PM Response to Reply #75 |
102. The UK's NHS is, I believe, 18th |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
87. what? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:51 PM Response to Reply #87 |
105. I stand by my statement |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. have not seen that |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. I'm not suggesting that most want to outlaw private insurance |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. not really |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:33 PM Response to Reply #110 |
115. I already said I'm not accusing people of advocating the outlawing of private insurance |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:44 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. that is true |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:27 AM Response to Reply #116 |
118. I think we're arguing semantics at this point, but... |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 01:41 AM Response to Reply #118 |
119. ok |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:33 AM Response to Reply #119 |
120. I can't prove peoples' motives because I can't read minds and I'm not a prosecutor |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:44 AM Response to Reply #120 |
121. no idea |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 02:53 AM Response to Reply #121 |
122. Fact is, you can't speak for anybody but yourself |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:14 AM Response to Reply #122 |
123. sure I can |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 03:27 AM Response to Reply #123 |
124. At the risk of swallowing some pride... |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #124 |
134. thanks |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #134 |
137. Okay but again, why is single-payer best for the people? |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #137 |
141. simple |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #141 |
144. I don't agree |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 07:39 PM Response to Reply #144 |
148. no kidding lol |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 02:57 AM Response to Reply #148 |
151. Yes I do |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:44 AM Response to Original message |
17. Why do you not realize that you have zero credibility when attempting to discuss policy matters |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:47 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. You are obviously NOT curious as to what I might think. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:50 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Actually I am |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:54 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Do you have anything to discuss in reference to the topic.....? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 04:27 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. With respect to responsible health care policy or what? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #17 |
55. You forgot to add the words "to me" after credibility in your subject |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Yep, she sure has |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #55 |
69. True! |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
68. I couldn't have said it better. nt |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 04:07 AM Response to Original message |
25. "France has generally avoided waiting lists, likely due to the fairly high coinsurance charges." |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
176. "likely" is a nice "weasel word", too. |
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leftofcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 04:59 AM Response to Original message |
31. Frenchie, this might help |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 05:51 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Shit, 6 bucks a month!! Our issue is the COST of insurance IMHO, cutting it into a 3rd of the |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:19 PM Response to Reply #31 |
74. It's true, in Canada I purchase supplemental insurance for $20.50 a month... |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 09:03 AM Response to Reply #74 |
164. Now that's a great price. Have any idea why WHO would rank Canada 30th? Doesn't make sense. |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #164 |
202. I have been looking at the 5 indicators used to do the ranking... |
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DatManFromNawlins (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #74 |
197. This is exactly why |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 07:46 PM Response to Reply #197 |
198. Ummm, US taxpayers ALREADY pay extra "for what the poor get for free"... |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:25 AM Response to Original message |
36. As actual French people have noted |
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Soylent Brice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
37. intresting. |
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olegramps (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 07:49 AM Response to Original message |
39. Wouldn't a single payer system be helpful to our industries? |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 08:47 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. People like to think that. There is a cost but they are subsidized to get health insurance. |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #39 |
49. They do NOT want single payer because..... |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:55 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. That's an INCORRECT misconception. |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:31 PM Response to Reply #51 |
66. You have your opinion, I have Thom Hartmanns....I will |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Thats true... |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 09:05 AM Response to Reply #49 |
165. They also like their big profits--made from denying health care to their customers. |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #39 |
96. Yes it would.... |
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niceypoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
40. But, but, but..... |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
41. Thanks for posting this, Frenchie Cat. While we're pushing for the single payer/public option |
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Faryn Balyncd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #41 |
64. Adopting a "private insurance only" system with NO public option will permanently kill Single Payer |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. Looks that way to me too, Faryn. |
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subterranean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #64 |
76. Especially if the private insurance remains for-profit |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
42. Do you even bother to ask the French people that question during your visits? |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
46. Do they buy it or their employer? Is it for-profit? What do all the people |
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SteelPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
47. Oh Noes! A two tier system! |
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Shrek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
48. How could such a system be considered single-payer? |
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Schema Thing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
53. My friend in Paris is in the hospital this very week... |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Good -- they aren't rushing them out of the hospital like here |
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cyclezealot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #59 |
78. Heck. My wife thought he condition not that severe. |
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gblady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
54. thanks, Frenchie.... |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
56. Many seniors who can afford to, do the same thing in the U.S.. |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
61. Same in Japan. They buy because they CAN. |
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Faryn Balyncd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
63. And why do many American seniors purchase Medi-gap insurance, even though they have Single Payer? |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Really, the private portion seems negligible, and, in fact, thanks to the "heavy hand of |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
65. Another opponent of Medicare for All has spoken. The insurance industry thanks you. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #65 |
73. Supporting President Obama is more important than affordable healthcare for all, evidently. |
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Doremus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
77. Providers who accept Medicare cannot charge more than agreed upon fees. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
79. Okay, then. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:30 PM Response to Reply #79 |
91. I agree with your suggestion. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
89. phony debate |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. I think you may know more than others on what Single Payer means. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #90 |
98. I don't know |
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Seen the light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #89 |
214. That's a great post |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
92. Ahhh... you're not for it because Obama's not advocating it. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. I am providing information. Are you scared of it.....? |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
93. Germany still has private health coverage |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. Interesting. I haven't looked into the German System..... |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:50 PM Response to Reply #97 |
117. I had a friend from Germany who told me all about it... |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
100. 92 % seems high, but it is true that many French people have a complementary insurance to cover for |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
103. People do this in the UK because they think they can 'jump the queue' |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
106. You mean... The phrase "single payer" isn't MAGIC???? GASP!!!! |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
114. my cousins in NZ and AU have public health care and don't need suplimentals |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 04:05 AM Response to Original message |
128. Now tell us how Obama plans to limit US insurance to 13% of the total expenditures |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
135. The majority of Medicare recipients in the U.S. buy supplemental coverage too |
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ItNerd4life (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
136. Thank you very much for posting this! |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 07:43 PM Response to Reply #136 |
149. The system for basic coverage is Not for profit, big difference in |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
145. We also have a two tier system. the bottom tier don't get no coverage. nm |
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Sen. Walter Sobchak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-14-09 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
150. That is virtually everywhere on earth |
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DuaneBidoux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-15-09 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
154. If you want to know read this post. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 04:40 AM Response to Original message |
159. Guess what? Obama is not proposing a French system |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 04:52 AM Response to Reply #159 |
160. Never said he was..... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 01:31 AM Response to Reply #160 |
188. You neglected to mention that 92% choose the public option-- |
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jumptheshadow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-18-09 05:40 AM Response to Reply #160 |
209. Wish we could pay an inexpensive supplemental for a private room |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 07:21 AM Response to Original message |
162. I don't suppose I can argue with good results. The level of care must be good... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
163. Thanks for posting this... |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
168. You get supplemental insurance when under Medicare |
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clarence swinney (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
170. 92% pay 12.7% |
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centristgrandpa (314 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
177. Royala with cheese anyone? |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-16-09 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
182. Because they can afford it. |
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MasonJar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-17-09 09:11 PM Response to Original message |
204. Watch Sicko and see how Americans in France view the French |
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