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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:16 AM Original message |
Did Obama ever promise single payer? Historical factcheck with Medicare included |
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lamp_shade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
1. No he didn't. |
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lostnotforgotten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
2. He Embraced It Back In 2003 - There Is A Link Somewhere On DU |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #2 |
16. --> In 2003, Barack Obama told the Illinois AFL-CIO: “I happen to be a proponent of a single-payer |
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66 dmhlt (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:55 AM Response to Reply #16 |
35. Looks like that link is broken - but OpenLeft has it ... |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. You can also find it here. |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
3. No he didn't BUT he DID insist on a competative private plan to |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. I think you mean "public plan" |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #9 |
52. Yes I did. Sorry! I'm just so aggrivated at Bacus & severak others |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #3 |
18. Wrong. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
4. He NEVER did. Most people say he did because of that video you have quoted. |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:27 AM Response to Reply #4 |
20. Yes, Obama absolutely stated he was in favor of single payer - |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:48 AM Response to Reply #20 |
32. File doesn't work. |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Try this. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. It doesn't matter. |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Obama said he was a proponent of it. |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 12:53 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. I know. |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:58 PM Response to Reply #41 |
58. I'm a proponent of free candy and diet coke. |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
5. Don't believe the lie -- DADT was the "first step" |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:28 AM Response to Reply #5 |
21. I agree. It is a lie. Much like there never will be a black man in the White |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:44 AM Original message |
Stupidest comparison of the week |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
31. How so? |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
6. He ran on transparency in the process of creating the plan |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
7. No, but he did promise to listen to all points of view. |
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uponit7771 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:04 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. The folk around him sure have their hands to their head screamin la la la la la |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #7 |
19. Yes, Obama did promise. |
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Thrill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
8. No. The only way I will be pissed with Obama is if there is no public option |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
10. Medicare would be greatly helped by 3 proposals Obama made as a candidate |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
11. No, he didn't. But, he did say that the corporations wouldn't |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:30 AM Response to Reply #11 |
23. Oh yes he did. |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #23 |
44. No he did not |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
12. You are under the misconception that a single payer system will cost more. That' is false. |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:53 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I am under no misconception.. medicare is left as is will be bankrupt in |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Max Baucus supported the indusrty written prescription drug benetfit that your |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #17 |
34. This is what drives me nuts John Q.. not the discussion, not that advocacy |
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gblady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #34 |
56. spot on! |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #13 |
24. All the data shows that single-payer is the viable economic option and beats all other options |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #13 |
27. Then WHY is the rest of the civilized world not BANKRUPT! They have it!!! |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Precisely. Merkel of Germany pointed out at the G20 summit her country would not suffer like |
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AlphaCentauri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
14. wonder what this mean "adjusting the culture to a different system" |
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gblady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
22. Hear from his own lips..... |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:35 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Thank you. |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Yes he is a proponent,.. and what promise? |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:56 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. That's the thing. He's always supported single payer. |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:53 AM Response to Reply #36 |
49. That's how I remember it nt |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:12 AM Response to Reply #29 |
42. I see he positions himself as a proponent |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:14 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. See post 34 |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
25. BUT! Americans were NOT given a choice of someone who WAS for single payer! |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. By and large the vote for Barack Obama was vote to get this country |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #28 |
38. Not buying it, sorry. |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #38 |
45. No, No.. No. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. You can't agree with me!! I want a fight!!!! |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Beware. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
30. As so many people fail to understand: this is not about Barack Obama |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #30 |
47. That's right. Do the right thing. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
51. You don't understand... it's not about what Obama said... it's about what people HEARD |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Unfortunately I am becoming painfully aware of that... |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
54. No, he never did. And he and his plan won over Hillary's single-player plan. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
55. Really tired of "He did - No he didn't" |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
57. he never promised anything to anyone ever. |
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Blaze Diem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-13-09 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
59. I always thought he said that'All Americans should have the same healt care as those in Congress. |
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