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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 04:40 PM
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Hey Boss, don't want to release the stinking pictures then DON"T, but ya better
prosecute the stinking bastards who authorized the torture that is shown in the stinking pictures.

Let's get on with it. NOW.

Give the military, Cheney, Fox News, Donnie Deutch, Tweedy, Joey Scar, Lizzy the Mouthpiece, and the rest of the pro torture scum of the world their due, and keep the stinking pictures under wraps. But in exchange for keeping the stinking pictures under wraps, ya got to prosecute the stinking bastards.

But let me say this, and say it only once. Draw in a deep breath, reach for courage and prosecute the stinking bastards or we will bear the brunt of this for many decades.

Are ya with me?

Do ya hear?

:shrug:
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 04:51 PM
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1. I'm with ya, except for Tweety who isn't pro-torture at all.
The President is with ya too.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 04:53 PM
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3. Ok help me out here. The President is pro prosecution of the stinking bastards who
authorized the stinking torture so the stinking photos could be taken??

I'm confused. Really,he is going to prosecute?
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 04:51 PM
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2. Exactly. If they're so horrible that disclosure would cause irreparable harm.
Then somebody better do a fuckin' perp walk over 'em.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 04:55 PM
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4. Perfect lumberjack_jeff, May I have your permission to quote you?? I love your reasoning.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:00 PM
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6. Sure! (Worth every penny you paid though).
:hi:
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:05 PM
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8. Thanks. You have helped my headache feel better.
:hi:
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 04:56 PM
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5. Only problem is that it's not Obama's decision. The judge who will rule on the case appeal will be
the final decider on the issue, just as was the procedure with the last batch of photos which were released against appeal, in favor of the ACLU.

Regardless of the details, I'd love to see prosecutions too.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:04 PM
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7. True that it is not Obama's final decision, HOWEVER, his reconsideration although somewhat
understandable, does not comport with the fact that there wouldn't be any stinking photos except for the fact that the stinking torture was authorized by the stinking bushie bastards.

Obama apparently has heard and agreed with those who oppose releasing the photos to the public. Neither here nor there.

Obama can see the reason and as a separate matter, PROSECUTE THE STINKING BASTARDS.

I AM SOOOOOOOOOOO WORKED UP ABOUT THIS......MY HEAD IS POUNDING.

BASTA!!! ENOUGH. SILENCE CHENEY AND GET HIM TO HIRE HIS DEFENSE COUNSEL.
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:12 PM
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10. From the looks of it, his daughter is his lead defense counsel. nt.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:08 PM
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9. Obama's decision to prosecute is completely unrelated to either of the following:
1. Political pressure.
2. Courage.

Rather, it is going to hinge on whether Holder can build a solid case against Bush, Cheney, Yoo, or whoever. If he can't, there won't be prosecutions no matter how hard people push. If he can, there will be. The damage from a failed prosecution would be absolutely, completely, Presidency-destroying enormous. He's not going to expose himself to that risk. Either prosecution is a slam-dunk, or it is a pipe dream. No in-between.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:17 PM
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12. Well said. However (and there always seems to be an "however") absent from
the President's statement today was any passion nor stiff resolve in conveying that AG Holder was moving forward with his investigation.

Do you really think there isn't enough "hinges" of proof of torture?

How about re-writing the manuals on torture?

How about the low level Lindy England's of the military who took the fall for the stinking bastards?

Sorry to be so passionate.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:49 PM
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21. With all respect, and I say that honestly,
Edited on Wed May-13-09 05:51 PM by Occam Bandage
what he says to us isn't so much intended to convey what he is doing as it is to provoke or avoid provoking a particular reaction. He doesn't want to give any signals either way about prosecution; the last time he did that he created a media shitstorm, and all he said was "we're not going to prosecute the chumps who were told waterboarding wasn't torture, and we'll see about the others." He can't very well say "we are totally investigating those bastards," because if they don't come up with enough evidence to make any charges stick, it will be hard to defend against charges of witch-hunting. A high-profile investigation of your political enemies that results in no convictions never looks good. It looks absolutely terrible if you try to throw your political opponents in jail and the court rejects the validity of your arguments.

There's certainly proof people were tortured. Proof of criminality is another matter entirely. The Valerie Plame case is a good example of what I mean by that. It was clear that the White House leaked her name to the press. Yet all the lines of communication and all the paper trails were set up to run through Scooter Libby, so that in event of prosecution he could stonewall and thus prevent prosecutors from seeing anything that would allow them to win a conviction of Dick Cheney. Because of their meticulous track-hiding, all we got was an obstruction of justice conviction of a mid-level aide. Do you think they would have been less careful in their ass-covering for something as brazenly illegal and as clearly premeditated as a policy of torture?
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:13 PM
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11. The President doesn't Prosecute.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:18 PM
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13. You are correct.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:21 PM
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15. No, but the prosecutors work for him.
He tells them what to do.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:20 PM
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14. I've been checking out foreign news sites today
They're carrying the story of the decision -- which they're calling a "flip flop" (or words to that effect.

And, they're illustrating the stories with the torture pictures we have seen -- which are pretty bad. And, they're drawing the conclusion that the non-published pictures must be even worse.

So, I'm not sure this is really helping our image a whole lot.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:28 PM
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16. The President might have been able to mitigate that perception by sounding more
resolute in restating that AG Holder was going to investigate.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 06:00 PM
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22. All he really had to say was
"These pictures are part of an ongoing investigation and it wouldn't be in the best interests of justice to release them prematurely."

It would be bullshit, but it would have sounded a lot better.

He's not quite the "chess player" some people seem to think he is.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:29 PM
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17. he isn't our boss, actually in a way we are more his boss
but he is our "leader". and needs to lead on this issue.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:32 PM
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19. I agree but some how "Hey Leader" doesn't have the same ring to it. Sort of
tongue in cheek, no disrespect intended.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:34 PM
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20. yes, you are right
and we need to keep demanding he do something about this.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:31 PM
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18. Feingold Rebukes Obama For Detainee Photo Reversal
Feingold Rebukes Obama For Detainee Photo Reversal
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/13/feingold-whack...

Sam Stein

Feingold Rebukes Obama For Detainee Photo Reversal

First Posted: 05-13-09 04:40 PM | Updated: 05-13-09 04:57 PM



Senator Russ Feingold became one of the first elected officials to criticize Barack Obama for his reversal on releasing of detainee abuse in a statement Wednesday afternoon. Saying he saw no "compelling reason" to object to the release of the images, the Wisconsin Democrat said:


"I am generally opposed to keeping the American people in the dark for no other reason than to shield misconduct, avoid embarrassment or other reasons not pertaining to national security. From what I've heard so far, I'm not convinced there is a compelling reason these photos shouldn't be released."
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braunfels Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 08:53 PM
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23. Democrats are wimps
Obama's like almost all of the rest of them. Maybe he should put some of the Republican House Managers that prosecuted Clinton under contract to take care of this unpleasant business. Anyone remember their zeal and the "rule of law?"
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