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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 01:11 PM
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Is this somehow Pelosi's karma for taking impeachment "off the table"?
hmmmm? Just sayin'....
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 01:13 PM
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1. If people are lying on her, she should be defended.
I'm glad that we didn't get into impeachment. We might have lost the elections behind that....and if so, where would we be now?
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 01:14 PM
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3. Good points.
I'm just talking out loud. Republicans are trying to take her down, HARD.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 01:16 PM
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4. In a law-abiding country? Actually, I think we would have won the elections by...
...an even greater margin if we had IMPEACHED.

And if people are lying on her, yes, she should be defended. But by the same token, if she took IMPEACHMENT "off the table" because of this, she should be prosecuted along with Cheney** and Bush**.

NGU.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 01:21 PM
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5. No Ground Whatever, Sir, Exists For Prosecuting Speaker Pelosi
People really have to get that through their heads, and avoid being swept up by a pre-existing hatred for the lady.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 03:24 PM
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15. You're probably right, but the fact that she refused to take a stand against criminality...
Edited on Fri May-15-09 03:24 PM by ClassWarrior
...in the first place creates an appearance of conflict, now that she's being implicated. No matter how much you harrumph to the contrary.

NGU.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 04:42 PM
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17. You Called For Prosecution, Sir, And For That there Are No Grounds
Nor is there any real 'implication' of responsibility or dereliction attaching to Speaker Pelosi.

But this sort of noise from the left has consequences. It is no accident the defenders of the Bush administration have chosen this present line. They have been cued to it by noises on the left, and feel that they can both divide President Obama's supporters, and give their attack a 'bi-partisan' veneer, since some on the left are saying about the same thing as they are about 'Pelosi's complicity'.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 04:46 PM
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18. I said you're probably right. Why so hysterical?
:shrug:

NGU.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 04:53 PM
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19. People Have Called Me a Lot Of Things, Sir, But You Break New Ground With 'Hysterical'....
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 04:56 PM
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20. Dude, 1835 called...they want their vernacular back.
Edited on Fri May-15-09 04:57 PM by salguine
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 05:01 PM
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21. David Spade, Sir? You Come Armed With Only David Spade?
"The mind wobbles...."
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 06:00 PM
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24. What makes you so sure I'm a "sir"?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 06:01 PM
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25. Oh God...
not this shit again.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 06:18 PM
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26. Oh no, no worries, I actually am a sir. I just threw that out there for fun.
Edited on Fri May-15-09 06:18 PM by salguine
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 06:48 PM
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28. Women, Sir, Generally Do Better At Snark Than That....
So the conclusion was readily reached....
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 08:32 PM
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31. Post something without "sir" in it. I bet you can't. If you can make a post without
the word "sir" in it, I will give you a brand new plastic sword, velvet cape and Burger King™ paper crown to run around in the woods with.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 08:59 PM
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35. No Need To Divest Yourself Of Your Favorite Toys On My Account, Sirra
"I cannot stress too strongly the necessity, if things go amiss, of keeping one's composure, and passing off quietly from the wound without making undue fuss."
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:38 AM
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40. when he answers my post he says 'Ma'am'.
It's just the way The Magistrate communicates.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 05:32 PM
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22. Really? That surprises me...
...given your tendency toward red-faced huffing and puffing.

NGU.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 06:45 PM
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27. Do You Find This Sort Of Thing Helps, Sir?
Edited on Fri May-15-09 06:46 PM by The Magistrate
"It is easy to be kind to people one cares nothing for."
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 12:11 PM
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37. Do you find it helps to get hysterical even though I essentially agree with you, "sir?"
NGU.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 01:27 PM
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8. If we had impeached, Bush would have been acquitted.
Edited on Fri May-15-09 01:28 PM by Occam Bandage
We never had the votes in the Senate. Fuck, we don't even have the votes with 59 Democrats--eight more than we had in '07--to pass quite a bit of legislation. I fail to see how having the Senate declare Bush acted legally would be a win for the Democrats.

Oh, and claiming Pelosi could be prosecuted for not bringing impeachment to a full vote? Absolutely absurd.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 03:06 PM
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14. You fail to see how Rape-Publicans filibustering the conviction of a known criminal...
...would be a win for the Democrats?

:rofl:

NGU.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:32 AM
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38. IMPEACHMENT would have been worth it for that alone... the spectacle of Rape-Publicans...
...trying to get a pack of known war criminals, thieves and murderers off the hook.

NGU.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 01:14 PM
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2. Richly deserved
Sniveling obsequiousness is no defense when Repubs want blood.
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Boomerang Diddle Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 01:23 PM
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6. Considering there is no proof she did anything wrong
I would have to say no.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 01:24 PM
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7. Not at all. The Pelosi-bashing is a naked attempt by Republicans to deflect
outrage at their actions by baselessly claiming that Nancy Pelosi is somehow at fault. Had she impeached Bush, they would of course have launched the exact same campaign they are launching at the moment. They cannot defend their illegal actions, so they falsely claim Democrats were "in on it" too as a way of muddying the waters.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 06:58 PM
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30. exactly right (nt)
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 01:29 PM
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9. Ms. Pelosi is not Rahm.
And her enemies do not fear crossing her.

Imagine Waxman as Speaker.

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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 01:35 PM
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10. I don't get it...
Edited on Fri May-15-09 01:35 PM by liberalmuse
The Republicans are the ones who broke the law. Bush was the one who committed impeachable offenses, yet we speak of karma for Pelosi for taking impeachment off the table while Bush and Cheney roam the earth in luxury and under our tax dollar funded protection. What the fuck is wrong with our thinking? Have the Republicans so duped us that we just walk like zombies into every single one of their propaganda-trigger traps? We eat our own before we even think about taking the real criminals to task. It's mindboggling. Oh my god. (slapping myself out of it)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 01:35 PM
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11. No, this is people getting played.
Edited on Fri May-15-09 01:36 PM by redqueen
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5661403
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 01:50 PM
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12. No, this is just the usual Repub bullshit
EVERYBODY gets the treatment. Nothing special about Pelosi.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 01:52 PM
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13. Maybe this is WHY she took it off the table.....
...it's a thought.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 04:37 PM
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16. Yes. If she had stood up to them then, they wouldn't be so brazen.
Republicans aren't know for their courage, only their bluster.
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MzShellG Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 05:59 PM
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23. She might as well had left impeachment ON the table.
All the good it did her.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 06:52 PM
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29. Why is everyone talking about Pelosi?
Lets talk about the people that actually authorized and carried out the war crimes.
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3littlebirds Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 08:44 PM
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32. I thought that
But after today. I starting thinking , they were trying to scare her. thinking if she was in the news, and the corporate media is putting it on thick. that she would back down out of political fear. Because we all know , she took Impeachment off the Table. The news is putting it all on her. No one is talking about anyone else. The propaganda machine is in full swing.
I hope she calls their bluff, and calls for investigations. I think she's mad enough right now. They put her in a corner and she went along with them, but now their threatening her. I hope she nails them to the wall.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 08:46 PM
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34. The question is what is the real reason that made Pelosi put impeachment off the table
Torture, like rendition and the war, have bipartisan fingerprints.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-16-09 03:22 AM
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36. Yes. That and her two years of cowering before the Bush administration.
Worst Democratic Speaker in over 50 years.

I don't know what the big deal is. We've known for years she was given classified reports about torture years ago and sat meekly by and did nothing. Jay Rockefeller, too. The collaborated with the Bush administration by remaining silent, apparently afraid to be seen as opposing the "war on terror."

You could pick a name out of a hat in the HOUSE Democratic caucus and come up with a more effective speaker. If her constituency wants to keep her in congress, I don't care, but I hate having her ruin the House with her "leadership," a misnomer, of course.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:36 AM
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39. Yep. Karma's a bitch, Nancy.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 10:39 AM
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41. No, it's republicans lying, and DUers falling for it. Again.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-17-09 11:54 AM
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42. Are you saying she didn't take the IMPEACHMENT of known criminals "off the table?"
:shrug:

NGU.
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