If you justify every decision Obama makes, how are you different than the freepers the last 8 years?

I say about 70% of us think Obama is right most of the time.

But we also know he has made some mistakes. And will continue to make them. And call him out for them.

There are about 30% of the people here that will defend anything Obama does.

I saw the same thing the last 8 years from the nutty GOP supporters.

It is almost like "If Obama says it then it is right".

I guess blind support goes both ways!

from the freepers today? I see it going both ways.

decision?

just to name a few.

B/c I got the same impression you did.

Sorry I wasn't more clear.

he was not conservative enough!!!

They actually did not like McCain, because he wasn't far enough to the right, and actually believe they lost the election because of it!

And you compare us to them? You see no difference?

That is YOUR problem. Not ours.

:applause:

Is it possible to disagree with the President on some issues but to still understand his take on why he made the decisions he did? And if so, what does that make one? Is it all or nothing? Cause, based on what you said, I'm not sure what label I should wear? :shrug:

Meh...

As for color to wear, I say go for the rainbow one...it's my favorite color, even if it makes the skinniest girl look fat.

if we are just like Freepers? They got 8 years. The difference really isn't fair!

4 years is too long to give to O it seems.

I don't know what to think. This board lives on hating O. Now we have this issue with the assistant EPA lawyer he's chosen. People are saying she's a advocate (lawyer) for the top polluters, but they haven't mentioned any questionable litigation that I find worrisome---although her background is impressive.

But these 95 dead children in Afghanistan go on Obama's account. But these deaths don't matter to you, because a Democrat is president now.

And it's bigger than that. People are dying all over the world - no one can simply declare a stop to it.

Obama's decisions. I am sure it happened to you. It is the fact of a few people who cannot make the difference between support and adoration. Sorry, if I wanted to worship, I'd go to church.

yes
the photos I can live with
the tribunals, sorry, i'm not feeling it.

You're delving into the realm where logic dictates one think further than the instant gratification many desire, and demand. Thanks.
quickesst

:thumbsup:

There have been maybe one or two decisions for which I have been completely unable to see from where he is coming. I'm sure though, that he has reasons. For most of the decisions with which I disagree, though, I absolutely see his take.

When do you suppose we will learn to disagree without being disagreeable, as the old saying goes?

We are still suffering from "Everything Bush does is fucked up" syndrome!

Glad you mentioned it. I trust Obama to do the right thing just as I trusted cheney to always do the wrong thing (he's still doing it). My impression is that the president has more information available to him than a random person who posts on a discussion board. Second guessing Obama without the full info he has is a fool's game. And there are plenty of fools around ready to play it.

Just sayin', as they say.

Hint: Freepers were happy to tear Bush a bloody new asshole whenever he so much as hinted that he would not take the most conservative possible position. They started calling him "Jorge Bush" and printing up fake "United States of Mexico pesos" with Dubya's picture on 'em back when he dared to offer an immigration plan slightly more nuanced than "kill all the illegals." The only reason it looked like Freepers always supported Bush was that Bush pretty much always did what they wanted. Whenever he didn't, they were just as petulant, short-sighted, and cannibalistic as DU at its worst.

How many times has this board gotten worked up about one issue or another, lashing out with sharp disappointment and anger?
Looking back at each one of those episodes, how many of them turned out to reflect well on the president?
Most of them.
So my feeling is, the president and the attorney general and the rest of his cabinet have pledged in various ways to a new standard of ethics, transparency and responsiveness.
There's waaaay more positive evidence than negative evidence that these commitments are being fulfilled.
And so, unlike with Bush, I believe that our current president not only means well, but is responsive and committed to ethics and transparency.

Ever since I have been here I have seen this pattern.

A poorly reported AP story, a misleading negative headline and the place goes up in flames.

A day or two later and the storm is over.

are so short.

Just as soon as that happens.

But it isn't black and white, either.

First, Freepers didn't all agree with Bush, though they were probably more homogeneous than we are.

Second, we don't all fall so easily into the categories you describe.

Sometimes, our division is based on our individual priorities--what the president should do first.

Others think that the bailouts are just catering to the wealthy, but fail to see that we all, sadly, depend upon corporation's success (until such time as we can begin to regulate them again).

So that, in the end, I think we are really arguing about Obama's tactics.

I maintain that he has got to work with everyone at the table in order to get things done (and that looks shady to some).

And others don't seem to understand that fucking Congress has to step up.

All the bickering among ourselves---it's really not productive.

Thank you!

And, if you're newish here, welcome to DU!

:toast:

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There are people here, rather vocal people, one of whom is...well a former friend, someone I've met in real life and worked with on political issues for years, who quite simply will defend *anything* the man does. And I mean anything. And they have a rather large fan club.

I'm sure there are a few people who genuinely agree with every single decision Obama has made. However, on DU I see people defending his every position automatically, even if it's a literal turnabout from what he said, and they "supported", only days ago.

It is absurd.

You can, generally, like the guy and know that he will make bad decisions. To me, he already has. I knew that going in, there is NO such thing as a Perfect President but I will bet you dollars to donuts by the end of his first term there will be people here who have "agreed and defended" 100% of his decisions. Which frankly is impossible without being deluded.

... that Barack Obama is even HALF as stupid and morally incompetent as * was, then you'll have a point.

Until then..........

who starts whinning about the sitting presidents decisions 4 or 5 months into a four year term.

The new american, I got to have everything I want 5 minutes ago.

Or the appointment of John Ashcroft, or Bush's continual disregard for terror warnings?

At what point is it not "whinning" (sic) to criticize a democratically-elected president?

Those who will oppose anything Obama does. I don't know the %.

talk about that.

Free Republic and Democratic Underground! Finally, we agree on something - Obama is a terrible president. Have I got it right?

bush or Obama?

don't say both are equally untrustworthy

Obama has earned some trust. Bush was always lying.

:crazy:

...and I trusted Bush too because he did the same but ended up being a fair weather leader because when it came to preventing crisis or correcting them he was horrible.

for the last 20 years?

this too shall pass and once again the bigger picture will be revealed and they can take another break from calling us "freepers and "sychophants".

and trying to insinuate his supporters are freepers.

You're just making yourself look stupid.

He is night and day different...

You forgot to mention them.



:shrug:

bush was not.

we think we are right and they are wrong. That's what they think, and they don't apologize for it.

:eyes:

else admit you're just plain making shit up.