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Old Hank Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 10:37 PM
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Obama's changes to military commissions not so changey
Edited on Tue May-19-09 10:43 PM by Old Hank
If you initially supported President Obama's vaguely explained proposal to adopt a modified system of military commissions, you will feel disappointed if you read this New York Times new article by William Glaberson.

Consider this paragraph:
As details of the plan emerged Monday, it was clear that military commission trials would be subject to new legal challenges raising many of the same issues that plagued the Bush administration’s effort to prosecute detainees for the last seven years.


So it turns out that one of the main flaws of Bush's system (the lengthy legal challenges which delayed and often derailed trials) would linger under this new proposal.

No wonder a Navy military lawyer told The Times, regarding the changes, “I don’t think it’s going to make much of a difference."

White House claim: "the accused will have greater latitude in selecting their counsel.”

New York Times' conclusion:
"The filing showed that the Obama administration had not made a substantial change in the restriction.

It said that a detainee would be permitted a lawyer “of the accused’s own choosing.” But it added that the requested lawyer must be assigned to the Pentagon’s office of military defense lawyers for Guantánamo."


This prompted an Air Force defense laywer to state that "several of the Obama administration’s alterations to the Bush administration’s system were what he called “minor cosmetic changes.”

White House proposed a change that "dealt with limiting hearsay evidence against prisoners."

New York Times' rebuttal:
"But the filing showed that military prosecutors would continue to rely extensively on hearsay evidence that might be barred in federal court."


Administration officials vowed to bring this issue to congress to apply more changes, and that these initial changes are simply a starting point.

A terrible starting point, I would add.
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SamCooke Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 10:44 PM
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1. But it is a starting point, so wouldn't that make the article useless? nt
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Old Hank Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 10:47 PM
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2. so why did so many people come out in support of this "starting point" the other day?
Remember, many here cheered the decision, and honestly, I had not heard about this being a "starting point" until today.

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SamCooke Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 10:50 PM
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3. I'll wait for the final result before I criticize, which is what those people should've done.
THeir should be a world court set up somewhere for this kind of thing.
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Old Hank Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-19-09 10:53 PM
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4. Rather than world courts, I like Obama's 2008 proposal
When he was a candidate:

"That the Hamdan trial – the first military commission trial with a guilty verdict since 9/11 – took several years of legal challenges to secure a conviction for material support for terrorism underscores the dangerous flaws in the Administration’s legal framework. It’s time to better protect the American people and our values by bringing swift and sure justice to terrorists through our courts and our Uniform Code of Military Justice."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0808/Obama_on_Hamdan_dangerous_flaws.html
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Krashkopf Donating Member (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-21-09 07:13 AM
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5. That's not CHANGE . . .
that's more of the same! - Joe Biden
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