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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:07 AM
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Judge rejects Obama view on detaining Al Qaeda supporters
Judge rejects Obama view on detaining Al Qaeda supporters


A federal judge has rejected aspects of the Obama administration's definition of who can legally be held as a prisoner in the war on terror.

In a 22-page decision issued Tuesday evening, U.S. District Court Judge John Bates ruled that members in Al Qaeda or the Taliban could be detained, but that mere support for Al Qaeda activities is not a sufficient basis for the government to hold prisoners at Guantanamo Bay or elsewhere.

Bates said he pressed the Justice Department to explain why rendering assistance to Al Qaeda was enough to lock someone up without criminal charges.

"After repeated attempts by the Court to elicit a more definitive justification for the 'substantial support' concept in the law of war, it became clear that the government has none," wrote Bates, who was appointed to the bench by President George W. Bush. "Regardless of the reasonableness of this approach from a policy perspective, a detention authority that sweeps so broadly is simply beyond what the law of war will support. The government's approach in this respect evidences an importation of principles from the criminal law context," Bates said.

"We're reviewing the court's opinion," a Justice Department spokesman, Dean Boyd, said.

Bates's decision does not mean it would be impossible to hold someone for knowingly giving aid to Al Qaeda. Rather, the government would have to proceed with a criminal indictment or perhaps a military commission or court-martial, all of which would are likely to give Guantanamo prisoner more rights than he currently enjoys.

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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:12 AM
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1. Good
Edited on Wed May-20-09 08:12 AM by alcibiades_mystery
Accomplishes the goal while immunizing Obama from political criticism from the right. There's a reason to let the courts make these determinations.

It also undermines the 60 year-old "tradition" of an imperial Presidency. What's the best way for the presidency to divest itself of undue power? By ceding it to the other (and proper) branches of government.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:16 AM
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2. Is it because O is a constitutional lawyer the reason he goes to the courts for EVERYTHING?
Edited on Wed May-20-09 08:17 AM by vaberella
I just don't remember Bush doing this all the time.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:25 AM
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3. The detainess brought the Government to court long before January.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 08:42 AM
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4. He is truly giving the judicial branch a workout, isn't he? LOL
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-20-09 09:54 AM
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5. Well, but Bush was not aware that we HAD a Constitution. Or rather...
.... he thought we had one, but that it was written by Moses. :)
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