Bush did it is only going to last so long folks

Yes, I know Bush did cause many of the problems we faced, some of the problems pre-date his Presidency. It can be argued this CDS mess has its roots in the Clinton Presidency and Larry Summers ideas. That being said, Barack and the Democratic Senate have inherited a mess.

The Democratic Party is firmly in charge.

So when our Democratic Senators have a vote for moving Gitmo and a super majority of Democratic Senators, most of which have been vocal critics of that facility, vote against it, Bush did not do that.

When we continue the fleecing of Americans with bad credit card legislation, bad bail-out policy, very limited relief for home owners, Bush did not do that.

When the health care debate starts and the Insurance Industry has a seat at the table in discussion and the Single Payer advocates are being laughed at by our democratic Senators as they are pulled from the Senate chambers, Bush did not do that.

When we have been handed the two wars and we escalate our war in Afghanistan and continue our presence in Iraq, Bush did not do that.

When we have 59 going on 60 US Senators and the Employee Free Choice Act can't get passed, Bush did not do that.

When we have evidence of war crimes, committed in our name, and we fail to prosecute the war criminals, Bush did not do that.

George W. Bush is probably the second worst President this nation has ever seen (Buchanan was a bigger disaster the country went to war with itself after his term).

Just because he was a horrible leader and a war criminal doesn't give a Democratic Congress and White House the excuse to be mediocre to bad.

Pointing our fingers only last so long folks.

Or at least take years to be undone in which case the weak among us will ultimately blame Obama and the Democrats.

More of Bush Did it.

The reason we have failed to see action on Homeowner relief and Credit Card reform has nothing to do with George W. Bush. We have a nice little group of Democratic Senators who will protect their corporate patrons over their citizens at any cost.

Obama is in a difficult predicament does he go out and call members of his own party corporate whores or does he compromise every piece of legislation to their wishes. Than one has to ask the question, are these democratic corptocracy supporting senators actually doing exactly what the President wants so he can moderate his position and so the sheep can bellow out, at least he isn't Bush.

it's imagination.


Example:
But when you respond with a strawman diatribe, you will prove me right.

See how easy it is to make up something that's going to happen? And how illegitimate?

it will take sacrifice, courage and luck to undue even some of the damage over the last 8 years. Obama will be responsible for what he does and does not do to recover from the damage.

but the corporate democrats in congress.

Got the lotto numbers for tomorrow too?

at the expense of their citizens during a recession which may turn into a depression, I'm pretty damn sure we won't be in power long.

Gitmo was voted down, because Obama supposedly didn't have a plan. Well you can be sure he's drafting a plan now so they can vote on it again. Everybody wants this shut down except for Cheney and some other far out nutjobs.

The credit card legislation is a good step. Did we expect to have a 180 degree turn on this issue over night? What is wrong with incremental progress?

Obama made his healthcare plan clear in the primary and general election.

Obama made his plans for Afghanistan and Iraq clear during the election. We have a timetable for Iraq.

EFCA. Is this really the massive issue that it is made out to be here on DU? I don't see it talked about much outside of TV ads aired by unions. I'd rather see Congress tackle offshoring of jobs and cheap labor immigration (H-1B visa) instead of this.

Bush did do the war crimes. Obama has stopped the war crimes.

after only four months in total control of the government. And we have little to no control and/or influence over the corporate media apparatus that is still living up the RNC's a**. Let's also not forget the termites the previous (mis-)administration left in place spread throughout various agencies specifically intended to undermine them. Let's talk again in another year or two. I agree that "finger pointing" shouldn't necessarily be an automatic reaction to each and every criticism of the Obama Administration but IMHO it's impossible to deny just how badly Bushco has f**ed things up for this country and how long it may well take to get things back to some semblance of sanity/order, particularly with the dead enders in the Republican Party (and their tenacious mouthpieces in the media) fighting us every step of the way.

I don't think we have to worry just yet. Most of our countries problems ARE because of George W Bush.

I'd love a link to that thread....

we start with an economy in shambles, massive debt, tax rates lower for the wealthy than they should ever have been, and two wars. - you can't pretend president Bush didn't exist as much as you may want to.

Right now Banks and credit card companies are the least popular thing in this country, yet we are failing to articulate a change.

The American people are ready for a real discussion on Health care, our representatives are not.

Just because George W. Bush was a horrible corporate whore, doesn't mean I should accept the bad corporate whores in my party and how they are effecting policy.

I basically agree.

You are pointing out a fairly obvious and historically common turn of events, with specifics than can and probably will be points of attack in the next round of elections.

Kudos for presenting a position that is so very unpopular on this forum.

Doesn't mean they will be in disarray in a year and a half and 3 years.

There is a lot of cheer leading going on over our enemies plight without looking carefully enough at the policies our friends are implementing.

to fix eight years of mismanagement. Call me crazy. :shrug:

by a group of around 15 DEMOCRATIC Senators who do whatever they can to moderate things, not for the American people but the corporations that own them.

I wonder if any Dems at DU are planning to help undermine the re-election of these Senators.

I seriously doubt it will be much of a movement.

The Democrats are a big part of the problem.

Just because it will take YEARS to clean up their messes, THEY WILL ALWAYS OWN IT!!!

about as long as it remains true. This timeframe varies from one issue to the next.

What will last for a very long time is economic recovery, should one happen. That alone will cover a vast array of less than perfect choices elsewhere.

One snapshot from March (my bet is that it's an overly optimistic one):



Much more here, with caveats:

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/03/when-will-voters-blame-obama.html

When in fact, a majority/plurality support the war in Afghanistan, want to leave Gitmo open, and do not want prosecutions of Bush/Cheney/etc.

Obama could proudly campaign on some of the things you mention and get more votes, even if we disagree with them.

Not in the slightest- when based on some cheap media polls.

Moreover, even if that was the snapshot for one day- those opinions aint likely to hold over time.