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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 08:09 PM
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Rachel, two of your three "lemons"
were appointed by REPUBLICANS.

John Paul Stevens was appointed by a REPUBLICAN, so if you agree with him, then you are a conservative????

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O is 44 Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 08:12 PM
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1. I know I just commented on this ....
on another post. She is way off base here in my humble opinion. Thank goodness for Mrs. Boxer's explanation.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 08:15 PM
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2. I wrote down some of the banners on the bottom of the screen just now:
Edited on Tue May-26-09 08:16 PM by jenmito
"White House stresses how much Sotomayor has agreed with Conservatives"
"White House: Sotomayor agreed with Republican appointees 95% of the time"
"White House: Sotomayor agreed with conservatives more than she disagreed"
"White House officials push the fact that Sotomayor was first nominated by Bush '41"

I think Rachel should team up with Jonathan Turley and campaign against Obama in '12. I just KNEW she would criticize Obama's choice of Sotomayor.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 08:20 PM
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3. No, she read the WH talking points...
* Known as a moderate on the court, Sotomayor often forges consensus and agreeing with her more conservative nominees far more frequently than she disagrees with them. In cases where Sotomayor and at least one judge appointed by a Republican president were on the three-judge panel, Sotomayor and the Republican appointee(s) agreed on the outcome 95% of the time

They're here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8432164&mesg_id=8432164
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 08:27 PM
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6. I know, but it sure seems like she cherry-picked all of the
lines that the WH wrote to take the wind out of the RWers' sails when they tried to claim she's a "wild-eyed liberal" and left out any of the pro-liberal/moderate ones.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 08:33 PM
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9. No, I'm guessing Rachel isn't as impressed with this
Edited on Tue May-26-09 08:46 PM by babylonsister
selection as I am. And my response is 'chill out, Rachel'. This isn't the last person this prez will pick, I'm thinking. If she's the least controversial (!) with stellar credentials, that's good.

I just read this from another DUer-very enlightening:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5726270

The GOP's Suicide Mission

by Mark McKinnon

Memo to my party: Blasting targets like Sonia Sotomayor and Colin Powell is a surefire strategy to guarantee our extinction.

If the GOP is ever to be resurgent, it has to pick its fights carefully. The tendency is, unfortunately, to shoot at everything that moves.

Here are a couple of fights we don’t need: Colin Powell and Sonia Sotomayor.

Let’s face it, Sotomayor is a political trifecta. Woman. Hispanic. Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval from George H. W. Bush.

Yes, Mitch McConnell has to make his pro forma gestures about doing due diligence. And it is important to fully examine Judge Sotomayor’s judicial record. But, every day this confirmation battle gets unreasonably extended is a good day for Democrats and a bad day for Republicans.

Sotomayor is going to be confirmed. There is little doubt about it. So, going into weeks or months of paroxysms and hysterics about alleged “judicial activism” is just going to make the party look bitter, mean, tone deaf, and out of touch.

more:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-05-... /
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 08:38 PM
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10. OK...
Edited on Tue May-26-09 08:38 PM by jenmito
I'll give you that. :) Thanks for the links.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 08:20 PM
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4. Looks like nit picking on stupid
stupid stuff instead of getting to the substance of all this.
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 08:27 PM
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5. Are you saying the banners are incorrect? If not, what's the response?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 08:29 PM
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7. NO. I'm saying she's cherry-picking her "qualifications" to make her seem
more to the right than she really is. She did not put her in the same category as Suitor, but Boxer DID.
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 08:32 PM
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8. She is probably more to the right than very liberal people, including me, want.
I don't think we have to suck it up and be silent.
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EquallyExhausted Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 08:38 PM
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11. didn't get her whole "omg they're touting her as a moderate" spiel
what did she expect they were going to say about any nominee they put forth? even if she were a clear liberal, they wouldn't say anything different when trying to sell her, they know what republicans and more importantly the media would do with that.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 08:41 PM
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12. It seems as if she's
believing the specific WH talking points put out specifically to CALM the fears of anyone NOT liberal instead of realizing what you just said.
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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 08:46 PM
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15. ? She shouldn't believe the WH talking points?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 08:49 PM
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18. She shouldn't act as if those specific talking points represent
who Sotomayor is. Those talking points were put out to preempt the RW talking points that she's a "wild-eyed liberal" and the like.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 08:42 PM
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13. good point
NT
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O is 44 Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 08:43 PM
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14. I think the WH's reason
for pointing this out was to corner the Republicans who were supportive of her in the pass but now may have second thoughts. I think it is to expose the political aspect of it all. Not what Rachel interpreted it as.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 08:46 PM
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16. Exactly! And Rachel should KNOW that...
unless she doesn't WANT to "know" that. She's a Rhodes Scholar. I really think she just doesn't like Obama enough to do truthful, complete reporting of the facts.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 09:07 PM
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21. She doesn't like Obama. I've noticed it since the beginning of the primaries
Edited on Tue May-26-09 09:08 PM by Thrill
. Its the Gay Black Preacher thing. I forget his name. She never got over Obama letting him speak at an event. Just my opinion
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 09:16 PM
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23. "It's the gay that makes her hate Obama" - you for real? You need to grow up as well.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 09:22 PM
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24. Thats not what I said. And you know it
I said shes had a problem with him ever since he let that Preacher speak at one of his events. The preacher who use to be gay but apparently no longer is. And now speaks out against gays.
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 09:28 PM
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25. I took it to mean "gay grudge" and still do
I also have no Idea who you are talking about, what gay preacher would that be?
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 09:30 PM
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26. I forgot his name
Edited on Tue May-26-09 09:32 PM by Thrill
but it was a big deal on this board. Throughout the primaries. And I don't care how you take it. I use to listen to her radio show every single day. And she hasn't been the same with Obama since then. She claimed he was going to lose the election every day throughout the election. So in my opinion, she certainly is holding a grudge.

And since he took office, her reporting hasn't been fair. Shes really tried to make everything fit her "Obama is making a mistake" narrative.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 09:54 PM
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28. Donnie McClurkin. And you're exactly spot on. (nt)
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 09:14 PM
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22. What are you like twelve?
Grow the fuck up this 'aint high school

"she just doesn't like Obama enough to tell the truth"
Bullshit based on nothing.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 08:47 PM
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17. Exactly.
Rachel Maddow rachel@msnbc.com
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 09:02 PM
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19. So then I take it you disagree that they are the liberal aspect?
Why? Is it only because of who appointed them? Because if so, that doesn't mean anything once they are in. Sure the repugs can get pissed if "one of theirs" is a fair minded liberal judge, but it is how they rule that matters, I would have thought you would have known that.

Even Senator Boxer admitted much the same thing about ANY judge that Obama may appoint and how all one could do is follow one's instincts and known facts before they are appointed as they may behave differently once in.

I am sensing a lot of Rachael hatred these days - could you explain this to me? Is Feingold next on the hit list or is it only Commentator liberals that raise your back hair so?
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 10:15 PM
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29. I'm pointing out the fallacy of using the
95% agreement with republican judges factoid as proof Sotomayor is (heavens to betsy) a moderate! By that standard, everyone on the Supreme Court is a staunch conservative, because they have agreed with either Scalia or Stevens (both republican appointees) a lot of the time, if not ALL of the time.

It's a silly metric. I'm confident that Sotomayor will be a fine justice who will NOT be voting with the radical right wing very often at all.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 09:05 PM
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20. Just reading some of the things about Sotomayor. I get the impression she is primed
to be a big time liberal on the court.

And if I feel that way by reading some of her stuff. You know Repukes are thinking it. I think Obama may have really hit a HR.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-26-09 09:33 PM
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27. What if he piced Diane Wood? I am glad he went with Sotomayor.
She has potential and her background is unique. Plus, her education and experience are incredible.
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