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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 04:50 PM
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Bill Clinton: "...I should have raised more hell about derivatives being unregulated."

Bill Clinton, on His Economic Legacy

By David Leonhardt

<...>

NEW YORK TIMES: Speaking of banks and toxic assets, you know there’s been this debate among a lot of people about trying to figure out where did we get to this point, how did we get to this point. You know that Time magazine named you and said you should have done this, that or the other thing. What do you say to that? Is there anything you would have done differently?

Mr. CLINTON: Yes. Well, I don’t know if I would have done anything different. First, I always ask. I do not believe this would have happened in this way if I had been in office or if Al Gore had been elected. I just don’t. I think we would have caught the housing bubble and taken steps to stem it before it got out of hand. And I know that having Arthur Levitt at the Securities and Exchange Commission would have made a huge difference.

<...>

Mr. CLINTON: Now, there basically have been three charges, if you will, laid at our doorstep, because everybody recognizes that I vetoed the securities reform bill and that we had a very different economic philosophy. But they — the three charges are one, because I enforced the Community Reinvestment Act for the first time and over 90 percent of all lending done under that law was done when I was president, $300 billion, that part of that was a lot of little banks made loans to people they had no business making loans to to buy houses so they could check the box for the Community Reinvestment Act. That’s the right-wing argument.

Then there’s the argument from the left that I shouldn’t have signed the bill that got rid of the Glass-Steagall law because that enabled banks and investment banks in effect to merge their functions.

And then there’s the argument that I make, which is that I should have raised more hell about derivatives being unregulated. I believe the last one is by far the most valid …

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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 04:53 PM
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1. Don't forget NAFTA, Bill!
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 04:59 PM
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2. Outside of the obvious, did you enjoy the play Mrs. Lincoln?
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 05:03 PM
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3. As usual, the right-wing argument is just a buncha shit. But so is his centrist mea culpa.
Edited on Thu May-28-09 05:04 PM by Jim Sagle
As is often the case, the left is right, the right is wrong, and the center is left to mumble, "Wha' hoppen?"
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 05:06 PM
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4. Bill Clinton shows up unexpectedly in small town called No Shitsville...Story at 11...
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BolivarianHero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 05:08 PM
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5. He doesn't really mean.
Why is he still kissing Dumbo's ass on the national and world stage?
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rhombus Donating Member (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 05:18 PM
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6. Clinton Eight Years: Catering to the DLC crowd
NAFTA, unfettered free market bs, loose trade agreements, no healthcare, no major progressive legislation to his legacy.

Sorry Bill, but you were never a progressive. Sold the working class down the river to please his DLC friends.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 05:33 PM
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7. "Now excuse me while I go cash this check."
Shut up, Bill. You knew exactly what you were doing.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 12:42 PM
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29. Yup. You nailed it.
Edited on Fri May-29-09 12:43 PM by closeupready
The Clintons are worth, what, $300 million? :rofl: Such an idealist, Bill.
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 03:52 PM
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36. Exactly...
The Clintons are about one thing. Money. And that includes Chelsea. Who of course is a hedge fund manager. And has done quite well for herself. And who probably has done quite well for her parents as well.

But again all that matters to some Democrats, as well as some Republicans, and some Independents too, is the pretty picture presented. She looks pretty, he smiles a lot. And so as long as she looks pretty and he smiles a lot, all is well in Camelot.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 06:02 PM
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8. Yeah, and you should have vetoed DOMA, asshole!
Thanks a lot!
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 06:09 PM
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9. DLCeregulating the media in 1996 was another disastrous piece of legislation he should've vetoed.
Edited on Thu May-28-09 06:23 PM by ClarkUSA
Too bad he actually wanted to pass it despite misgivings in many consumer advocate quarters. We can thank Clinton's Telecommunications "Reform" Act of 1996 for the right-wing Clear Channel's dominance of radio and for the right-wing Sinclair Broadcast Group becoming the biggest TV chain in the country. Clear Channel owned 40 radio stations before the Telecom bill and 1200 soon after. Sinclair had 11 stations before the bill, and now has 62 TV stations.



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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 06:48 PM
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10. Ya think? n /t
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 08:07 PM
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11. Understatement of the year.
And I'm sure Pres. Buchanan wished he could have handled the preceding of the Civil War better in hindsight.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 09:22 PM
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12. "I do not believe this would have happened in this way
if I had been in office or if Al Gore had been elected."

oh, wait - am I supposed to bash Clinton?

I mean, this is DU, isn't it?
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-28-09 09:29 PM
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13. Bill is always about Bill.
Dude sure has a big ego.
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Tabasco_Dave Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 05:25 AM
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14. Should Have, Would Have, Could Have
It's too late now Bill. :eyes:
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cwcwmack Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 11:34 AM
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15. so many big dog haters...
I'd take a hundred years of big dog in the white house...
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 11:45 AM
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16. Not me. I love big dogs. Had a rottweiler who was 30" at the withers and 180 pounds.
Edited on Fri May-29-09 11:45 AM by ClarkUSA
I don't think big dogs should be in the White House, though. Unneutered big dogs tend to want to hump every non-menopausal female. The stains don't come out, either.

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 12:07 PM
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19. 100 years of catering to the powerful corporations,
NO THANKS. I voted for him twice BUT NEVER in the primary. I was seriously tempted to sit out the elections as I never trusted him. Now w access to internet facts, my dislike of him is way stronger;

Here's just a couple reasons why:

SELLING OUT OF INTERNATIONAL ELECTIONS FOR PROFIT:

After Mining Deal, Financier Donated to Clinton

By JO BECKER and DON VAN NATTA Jr.
Published: January 31, 2008
Late on Sept. 6, 2005, a private plane carrying the Canadian mining financier Frank Giustra touched down in Almaty, a ruggedly picturesque city in southeast Kazakhstan. Several hundred miles to the west a fortune awaited: highly coveted deposits of uranium that could fuel nuclear reactors around the world. And Mr. Giustra was in hot pursuit of an exclusive deal to tap them.

Unlike more established competitors, Mr. Giustra was a newcomer to uranium mining in Kazakhstan, a former Soviet republic. But what his fledgling company lacked in experience, it made up for in connections. Accompanying Mr. Giustra on his luxuriously appointed MD-87 jet that day was a former president of the United States, Bill Clinton.

-snip


"Kazakhstan’s president, Nursultan A. Nazarbayev, whose 19-year stranglehold on the country has all but quashed political dissent."

"Mr. Nazarbayev walked away from the table with a propaganda coup, after Mr. Clinton expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader’s bid to head an international organization that monitors elections and supports democracy."

-snip

Just months after the Kazakh pact was finalized, Mr. Clinton’s charitable foundation received its own windfall: a $31.3 million donation from Mr. Giustra that had remained a secret until he acknowledged it last month. The gift, combined with Mr. Giustra’s more recent and public pledge to give the William J. Clinton Foundation an additional $100 million, secured Mr. Giustra a place in Mr. Clinton’s inner circle, an exclusive club of wealthy entrepreneurs in which friendship with the former president has its privileges.

LINK:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html

SELLING OUT MIDDLE CLASS JOBS TO CHINA:

Clinton to renew Normal Trade Relations with China



June 2, 1999
Web posted at: 4:51 p.m. EDT (2051 GMT)


WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, June 2) -- President Bill Clinton will notify Congress Thursday that he is renewing China's most-favored-nation (MFN) trading status -- now known as Normal Trade Relations (NTR) -- for another year, CNN has confirmed.

MFN/NTR status offers low tariffs and treats countries as normal trading partners.

The formal notification, required by the Thursday deadline, is expected to trigger a major debate in the House and Senate due to allegations of Chinese espionage against the U.S. and other recent diplomatic tensions, including charges China tried to influence the 1996 presidential election with illegal campaign contributions.

One of the first speak out against Clinton decision, Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-California), derided the president for making the decision near the 10th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square massacre.

-snip

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/06/02/china.mfn/



Clinton Proposes Renewing China's Most-Favored Trade Status

Congressional reaction mixed amidst larger China policy issues


WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, June 3) -- President Bill Clinton on Wednesday proposed renewing most-favored-nation (MFN) trade status for China, saying it was "clearly in our nation's interest" as he urged Congress to support the request.

-snip

House Speaker Newt Gingrich welcomed Clinton's recommendation for renewing MFN status for China, and vowed to work in a bipartisan manner to ensure that China receives it from Congress.

Gingrich, joined by Reps. Bill Archer (R-Texas) and Philip Crane (R-Ill.), made his comments in a letter to Clinton.

-snip

House Democratic leader Richard Gephardt issued a statement Wednesday opposing Clinton's plan to extend China's trading status for another year.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/06/03/china.trade/



BACKING MEDIA CONSOLIDATION (TELECOM ACT OF '96):

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
This study tells the story of the Telecommunications Act of 1996 and its aftermath. In many ways,
the Telecom Act failed to serve the public and did not deliver on its promise of more competition,
more diversity, lower prices, more jobs and a booming economy.

Instead, the public got more media concentration, less diversity, and higher prices.

Over 10 years, the legislation was supposed to save consumers $550 billion, including $333 billion in
lower long-distance rates, $32 billion in lower local phone rates, and $78 billion in lower cable bills.
But cable rates have surged by about 50 percent, and local phone rates went up more than 20 percent.
Industries supporting the new legislation predicted it would add 1.5 million jobs and boost the economy
by $2 trillion. By 2003, however, telecommunications’ companies’ market value had fallen by about
$2 trillion, and they had shed half a million jobs.

And study after study has documented that profit-driven media conglomerates are investing less in news
and information, and that local news in particular is failing to provide viewers with the information they
need to participate in their democracy
Why did this happen? In some cases, industries agreed to the terms of the Act and then went to court
to block them. By leaving regulatory discretion to the Federal Communications Commission, the Act
gave the FCC the power to issue rules that often sabotaged the intent of Congress. Control of the House
passed from Democrats to Republicans, more sympathetic to corporate arguments for deregulation.
And while corporate special interests all had a seat at the table when this bill was being negotiated, the
public did not. Nor were average citizens even aware of this legislation’s great impact on how they
got their entertainment and information, and whether it would foster or discourage diversity of
viewpoints and a marketplace of ideas, crucial to democratic discourse.

Now, as Congress once again takes up major legislation to change telecommunications policy, and as it
revisits the Telecom Act, major industries have had nearly a decade to reinforce their relationships with
lawmakers and the Administration through political donations and lobbying:

• Since 1997, just eight of the country’s largest and most powerful media and telecommunications
companies, their corporate parents, and three of their trade groups, have spent more than $400 million
on political contributions and lobbying in Washington, according to a Common Cause analysis of
federal records.

• Verizon Communications, SBC Communications Inc., AOL Time Warner, General Electric Co./NBC,
News Corp./Fox, Viacom Inc./CBS, Comcast Corp., Walt Disney Co./ABC, and the National
Association of Broadcasters, the National Cable & Telecommunications Association, and the United
States Telecom Association together gave nearly $45 million in federal political donations since 1997.
Of that total, $17.8 million went to Democrats and $26.9 million went to Republicans.

• These eight companies and three trade associations also spent more than $358 million on lobbying
in Washington, since 1998, when lobbying expenditures were first required to be disclosed.

All this investment once again gives radio and television broadcasters, telephone companies, long-distance
providers, cable systems and Internet companies a huge advantage over average citizens.
While these corporations have different, and sometimes opposing views on individual provisions of a new
Telecom Act, their overriding desire is for less federal regulation. A new Telecommunications Act could
be written “in a matter of months, not years,” and be a “very short bill,” focused on an almost complete
deregulation of the telecommunications industry, said F. Duane Ackerman, chairman and CEO
of BellSouth Corporation. “The basic issue before the Congress is simple,” Ackerman said.
“Can competition do a better job than traditional utility regulation?”

http://www.commoncause.org/atf/cf/%7BFB3C17E2-CDD1-4DF6-92BE-BD4429893665%7D/FALLOUT_FROM_THE_TELECOMM_ACT_5-9-05.PDF



BANKING DE-REGULATION:

How the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act became law -
On Oct. 21, with the House-Senate conference committee deadlocked after marathon negotiations, the main sticking point is partisan bickering over the bill's effect on the Community Reinvestment Act, which sets rules for lending to poor communities. Sandy Weill calls President Clinton in the evening to try to break the deadlock after Senator Phil Gramm, chairman of the Banking Committee, warned Citigroup lobbyist Roger Levy that Weill has to get White House moving on the bill or he would shut down the House-Senate conference. Serious negotiations resume, and a deal is announced at 2:45 a.m. on Oct. 22. President Bill Clinton signed this bill into law on November 12, 1999.

Bill Clinton -
So we know that the topic of that late night phone call between Bill Clinton and Sandy Weill, the man whose career began in the subprime mortgage business, was the Community Reinvestment Act. We know that Phil Gramm, who was the one most strongly pushing for gutting CRA (Leach actually supported it) threatened to torpedo the legislation if the White House did not reach an agreement.

So why did Clinton go along? His writings are silent on the subject. He seemingly held the trump card with the threat to veto any legislation that did not meet his approval. And why is it Sandy Weill who makes the phone call to Clinton? At this point not enough evidence is available to finally connect the dots, but whatever it is, it cannot possibly benefit Bill Clinton. The reason for the silence may be that for the Clintons the repeal of Glass-Steagall may prove far more embarrassing in the long run than Monica Lewinsky.

-snip
http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/story/pilgrim/2008/09/19/the_players_in_paving_the_way_to_the_wall_st_meltdown


A chronology tracing the life of the Glass-Steagall Act, from its passage in 1933 to its death throes in the 1990s, and how Citigroup's Sandy Weill dealt the coup de grâce.


On April 6, 1998, Weill and Reed announce a $70 billion stock swap merging Travelers (which owned the investment house Salomon Smith Barney) and Citicorp (the parent of Citibank), to create Citigroup Inc., the world's largest financial services company, in what was the biggest corporate merger in history.

The transaction would have to work around regulations in the Glass-Steagall and Bank Holding Company acts governing the industry, which were implemented precisely to prevent this type of company: a combination of insurance underwriting, securities underwriting, and commecial banking. The merger effectively gives regulators and lawmakers three options: end these restrictions, scuttle the deal, or force the merged company to cut back on its consumer offerings by divesting any business that fails to comply with the law.

-snip

Citicorp and Travelers quietly lobby banking regulators and government officials for their support. In late March and early April, Weill makes three heads-up calls to Washington: to Fed Chairman Greenspan, Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, and President Clinton. On April 5, the day before the announcement, Weill and Reed make a ceremonial call on Clinton to brief him on the upcoming announcement.

-snip

Weill and Reed have to act quickly for both business and political reasons. Fears that the necessary regulatory changes would not happen in time had caused the share prices of both companies to fall. The House Republican leadership indicates that it wants to enact the measure in the current session of Congress. While the Clinton administration generally supported Glass-Steagall "modernization," but there are concerns that mid-term elections in the fall could bring in Democrats less sympathetic to changing the laws.

-snip

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/wallstreet/weill/demise.html

HELPING OUT BCCI FINANCIER JACKSON STEPHENS EVEN WHEN IT WAS BAD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT:

WTI failed part of its test burn in 1993, releasing four times more mercury than allowed. Children at the elementary school were tested for mercury in their urine prior to WTI operation and again six months after the facility started burning as part of a state health study. In the first test, 69 percent of the children tested negative; the follow-up test found that nearly the same number tested positive.

U.S. EPA's own risk assessment of the facility found at least 27 possible accident scenarios that could threaten the lives of the children in the nearby elementary school.

Despite these and other problems, the U.S. EPA issued WTI a full commercial operating license in 1997. The agency has also allowed the facility to nearly double the types of wastes it can burn.



When Clinton became president, he appointed Carol Browner head of U.S. Environmental Protection Agency,

Ms. Browner then sent a small cadre of scientists to court in Cleveland, Ohio, to serve as expert witnesses on behalf of Waste Technologies, Inc. (WTI).

Because a memo to Ms. Browner from one of her staff was leaked to Greenpeace (a plaintiff in the lawsuit trying to shut down WTI), Ms. Browner's staff were forced to admit under oath that after Ms. Browner took office on January 20th, EPA conducted a secret risk assessment on the WTI incinerator.

-snip

http://www.progressohio.org/page/community/post/jasonbourne/C3Z4



Ask Hillary About This Tonight. I Dare You.
by Zwoof

Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 03:40:46 AM PST

Several days ago I posted a diary about the WTI and Von Roll Toxic Waste Incinerator. Because I posted it the same day as the South Carolina Primary, several Kossacks have asked me to repost.
Instead of duplicating the diary, I have added some new developments, and data.

While I was writing the original piece on the history of this foul project, a new ruling from the Ohio EPAallowed this incinerator, located 1,100 feet from an elementary school, to accept even more hazardous waste (anthrax, radioactive waste, infectious medical waste and mixed hazardous waste from Hurricane Katrina) than the original permit that was shrouded in corruption and approved by the Clinton Administration
Clinton and Al Gore promised the residents of East Liverpool, Ohio that they would not allow this incinerator originally approved by Bush '41 to operate. However, a Clinton EPA appointee, recommended by his classmate Hillary Clinton, approved the permit.
This is a tangled tale of corporatism, broken promises and an environmental disaster waiting to happen.

-SNIP

Jackson Stephens raised at least $100,000 for Bill Clinton's first Presidential campaign (Source: Seattle Times, November 6, 1993)
Stephens "extended a $3.5 million line of credit to campaign through the Worthen Bank, which is partly owned by the Stephens family. The Clinton campaign deposited up to $55 million in federal election funds in this bank." (Source: The Nation)

-snip
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/31/21045/9822/688/446786


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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 11:55 AM
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17. When he signed the repeal of Glass Steagall he let us know whose side he was on. SHEESH!
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 11:55 AM
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18. Raised more hell? How about raised ANY hell...
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 12:14 PM
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20. I'm a bit surprised by the vitriol at Clinton's comments.
Guys - he's apologizing. He's admitting fault. Isn't this exactly what we want from politicians? Yeah, it would've been great if he got it right the first time, but he didn't. And frankly, it's not like we, his constituents, were exactly jumping up and down and protesting the decision at the time - there was almost no resistance whatsoever to this.

It's not like he can hop into a time machine and make it right - so what do you guys really expect?! Do you prefer he act like Bush and Cheney instead and just keep being defiant?
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 12:21 PM
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22. Clinton was successful DESPITE the left, which is what infuriates them
Edited on Fri May-29-09 12:29 PM by wyldwolf
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 12:24 PM
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24. The problem is that he is apologizing for only a teeny portion
of what he should be apologizing for.

When it comes to banking, unregulated derivatives is just a small blip in the much larger action he took when he signed the bill removing the walls set up by Steagall. He mentions this, but does not apologize for it.

Plus, he states he should have raised "MORE" hell.....but the question is did he really raise any hell on this at all?

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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 12:47 PM
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30. I get that he certainly could/should have gone further
But these kinds of mea culpas just don't happen very often. That he's apologizing at all shouldn't exactly bring upon him the wrath of hell.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 12:20 PM
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21. Clinton was still a great President despite all the complaints from the left.
I expect Obama to be the same, and our country will be better off for it.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 12:22 PM
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23. in 8 years the left will be bellyaching about Obama
Wait! They already are!
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 12:29 PM
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25. I believe that happen to Clinton as well. I was a little young then.
I guess some people are only happy when they are outraged.:shrug:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 12:34 PM
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27. the left, like the right, is motivated by outrage
Edited on Fri May-29-09 12:43 PM by wyldwolf
I'm not saying what they're outraged about isn't legitimate, but I am saying if suddenly everything was to their liking, they'd still find something to whine about.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 12:32 PM
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26. Yes, you should have.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 12:37 PM
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28. Well, then, WHY DIDN'T YOU?!
:mad:
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-29-09 12:48 PM
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31. No shit, sherlock.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 01:49 PM
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32. That and the Rwanda genocide n/t
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girl_interrupted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 03:28 PM
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34. Yeah like we are doing so much about the genocide in the Sudan
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 03:34 PM
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35. After the 1993 Somalia incident (started by Bush Sr.), I doubt the US political structure has had
any stomach for sending troops to Africa.

No oil, plutonium, or natural gas.

"Send troops to keep the diamond flow going!" doesn't have the same patriotic ring.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 01:56 PM
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33. Bill, go home and shut up. nt
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 04:35 PM
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37. Darn, almost missed the Bill Clinton bashing post of the day.
Different people same sentiment......

:eyes:
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