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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:28 PM
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President Obama statement on the murder of Dr. George Tiller
Edited on Sun May-31-09 05:41 PM by jefferson_dem
President Obama released the following statement on the murder of Dr. George Tiller on Sunday.

"I am shocked and outraged by the murder of Dr. George Tiller as he attended church services this morning. However profound our differences as Americans over difficult issues such as abortion, they cannot be resolved by heinous acts of violence."

http://adjix.com/eg9y
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:30 PM
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1. Republicans call that "protesting" n/t
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:30 PM
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2. Said it like it should be said
Violence of this nature is terrorism.
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:31 PM
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3. Good! Now, make an example out of this freak.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:35 PM
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5. Exactly - Give him a fair trial, a jury of his peers and an appropriate sentence if convicted
thats the example of justice.
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crazylikafox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:45 PM
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7. And send him to Gitmo. Or whatever they call our new federal maximum security prison for terrorists
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 08:29 AM
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36. He certainly should be convicted, and serve his sentence.
I'm afraid that whatever he "gets," he will be a martyr to the cause.

Unfortunately, making "an example" of him is unlikely to deter future terrorist acts by the xtian right, just as personal consequences don't deter the taliban.

When it comes to religion, there is glory in sacrificing for the cause.

Which is why I think such attacks should be considered terrorist attacks.
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seaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:33 PM
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4. Perfectly said.
Thank you, Mr. President.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:41 PM
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6. Good...I was wondering if the white house would make a statement...
I hope this jerk is locked away forever!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:50 PM
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8. Gawd Damn right
they can't be resolved by terrorist acts.

Thanks President Obama for this statement that includes that.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:56 PM
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9. Well said. nt
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liquid diamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 05:57 PM
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10. The killer committed first degree murder. I wouldn't put him in
the same class as a terrorist.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:09 PM
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11. Depends on the motive, doesn't it?
Edited on Sun May-31-09 06:12 PM by jefferson_dem
We don't know just yet, but i'm willing to bet this was not an isolated crime of pre-meditative passion but was directed at Dr. Tiller because of the professional service he provides to women.

If so, victimhood extends well beyond Tiller and family and friends to the community of professionals (and their supporters) who assist women with reproductive issues. If so, this scumbag is absolutely a "terrorist".
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liquid diamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:21 PM
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12. Well in general terrorists belong to groups that share the same
ideas. Some would argue that he is in the pro-life camp. However, most pro-lifers don't condone murder. The motive of a terrorist is usually to COERCE an action or result. I don't see that in this case. Based on the information we have so far, I think the murderer killed Tiller as a means of "revenge." I wish people would stop sensationalizing this assholes actions by elevating him to the same level as the 9/11 hijackers and those that bombed the USS Cole.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:29 PM
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Diamonique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:37 PM
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14. Your response makes no sense.
The attachs on the U.S. Cole and the WTC were terrorist acts. The murder of Dr. Tiller was also a terrorist act.

There are different kinds and levels of terrorism... but it's still terrorism.
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liquid diamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:20 PM
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21. I thought my post clearly stated why I wouldn't equate this murder
with terrorism, but if it doesn't make since to you, that's unfortunate. Bottom line: I believe people calling the killer a terrorist are blowing this way out of proportion.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 07:04 AM
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33. the definition of terrorism covers it well enough.
ter⋅ror⋅ism   Show IPA
–noun
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.

how is this not terrorism?

I think you have a bizarre vested interest in minimalizing the actual nature of this act of domestic terrorism. One wonders if you would consider a similar act AGAINST pro-life headquarters as murder or terrorism?
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:01 PM
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15. And most Arabs and Muslims aren't terrorists, but that didn't keep
a train load of them from being tortured and murdered and raped and sodomized. This piece of white trash will get it better than that or he'll go scot free. Torture and abuse Muslims and they go to preventive incarceration. And IMHO doctor killers are terrorists and their organizations promote murder by their fearmongering agenda and the likes of O'Lielly and Limpballs do too by their hate-filled, money-grubbing careers. My heart goes out to Dr. Tiller's innocent family and friends, who have been subjected with him to years of abuse. He was a brave and caring man who did what he thought was best for others; he could have obviously lived a simpler and more carefree life as a doctor, but chose to do what he did to fill a special need for families. If the Lutherans have saints, he should become one.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:13 PM
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17. So killing him didn't coerce an action or result?

So I guess the good doctor will be back in the office on Monday morning then.

And other abortion doctors won't have had changed their lives to increase security.


The murder was a political statement which makes it the absolute candidate as a terrorist act.
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liquid diamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:28 PM
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23. The whole purpose of the pro-life group is to stop abortion.
That will never happen. The killer failed to coerce action in that regard. Abortion doctors have ALWAYS been in danger of harm from lunatics. Wasn't an attempt made on Tiller's life about ten years ago? What political statement did the killer make? He is no representative of the pro-life camp. He acted individually. If most pro-lifers were as hypocritical and demented as this guy, abortion clinics would be blowing up all over the country. Face it, this is premeditated murder, not terrorism.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:31 PM
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24. How exactly do you know this?
"What political statement did the killer make? He is no representative of the pro-life camp. He acted individually."
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liquid diamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 10:06 PM
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29. This first is a question I was asking people in this thread.
Those that are pro-life are against abortion because they find life sacred. They believe it extends to fetuses (which is where progressives start to disagree). Pro-lifers are aware of the hypocrisy of the killer's action, so of course he does not represent them. Based on the news reports I saw, Scott was the only shooter. That's why I said he acted individually.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 10:19 PM
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31. Please. Why do you rush to apologize for this network of right wing terrorists?
...

Court records and Internet postings show that a man named Scott Roeder has a criminal record and a background of anti-abortion postings on sympathetic Web sites.

Witnesses at the Wichita church where Dr. Tiller was shot got a good look at the gunman and the car taking off moment later.

Police stopped that car Sunday afternoon just outside the metro traveling north on I-35 near the Gardner exit. FOX 4 was there and got exclusive video of Roeder in the backseat of a patrol car. Later in the day, Roeder was taken by Wichita Police from the adult detention facility in Gardner.

Wichita Police are also towing the blue Taurus back to Wichita.

Neighbors said they've seen a similar car at the house in Merriam. They describe the ongoings at the house as strange.

They said it's a revolving door of men coming and staying there and describe what appear to be religious gatherings.

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-scott-roeder-suspect-tiller-53109,0,6281347.story
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liquid diamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 10:33 PM
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32. I'm not apoligizing.
I just think Scott committed an act of murder, not terrorism.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 07:50 AM
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35. but why does that make you feel better?
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:16 PM
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26. Just because a violent act is not "successful"
doesn't mean it's not terrorism. As you readily admit, it's he and others have been repeatedly attacked, establishing a

The so-called logic of your argument is laughable.
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liquid diamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 10:15 PM
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30. Terrorist! Terrorist! Terrorist!
Way to take advantage of an inflammatory label when it doesn't apply to the general definition of terrorism. Let's see if the MSM calls it that. I still say it's premeditated murder and he should spend the rest of his life and jail for it.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 07:07 AM
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34. I don't think that word means what you think that word means....
this is absolutely terrorism, by definition.

ter⋅ror⋅ism   Show IPA
–noun
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.


it frankly is one of the most clear examples of terrorism we could possibly arrive at. Assasination for a cause is terrorism.

why does that actual definition of terrorism elude you so completely?
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:21 PM
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27. What you forgot to mention

Is that Operation Rescue and the other pro-life groups want to stop abortion THROUGH THE POLITICAL SYSTEM.

Randall Terry's hate speech makes it clear that violence is a means to an end in getting the issue front and center in the political system.


Where were you in the 1980s when abortion clinics were being blown up and doctors wounded and murdered?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:35 PM
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:06 PM
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16. Oh, I'm sure you wouldn't
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asphalt.jungle Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:18 PM
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20. This is how terrorists behave
Edited on Sun May-31-09 07:46 PM by asphalt.jungle
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hsRcaLfmxox4cvkW6UmR36IILNlwD98HFBDG0
Recent cases of abortion-related violence

A look at recent cases of abortion-related violence:

_ May 31, 2009: Prominent late-term abortion provider George Tiller is shot and killed in a Wichita church where he was serving as an usher. The gunman fled but a city official said a suspect is in custody.

_ April 2007: Authorities say Paul Ross Evans placed a homemade bomb in the parking lot of the Austin Women's Health Center in Texas. A bomb squad disposes of the device, which contained two pounds of nails. There are no injuries.

_ Oct. 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian is fatally shot in his home in a suburb of Buffalo, N.Y. Militant abortion opponent James Kopp is convicted of the murder in 2003 and sentenced to 25 years to life in prison.

_ Jan. 29, 1998: A bomb explodes just outside a Birmingham, Ala., abortion clinic, killing a police officer and wounding several others. Eric Rudolph later pleads guilty to that incident and the deadly bombing at the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta. He justifies the Alabama bombing in an essay from prison, writing that Jesus would condone "militant action in defense of the innocent."

_ Jan. 16, 1997: Two bomb blasts an hour apart rock an Atlanta building containing an abortion clinic. Seven people are injured. Rudolph is charged by federal authorities in October 1998.

_ Dec. 30, 1994: John Salvi opens fire with a rifle inside two Boston-area abortion clinics, killing two receptionists and wounding five others. Sentenced to life without parole, he kills himself in prison in 1996.

_ Nov. 8, 1994: Dr. Garson Romalis, who performs abortions in Vancouver, Canada, is shot in the leg while eating breakfast at home.

_ July 29, 1994: Dr. John Bayard Britton and his volunteer escort, James H. Barrett, are slain outside a Pensacola, Fla., abortion clinic. Barrett's wife, June, is wounded in the attack. Paul J. Hill, 40, a former minister and anti-abortion activist, is later convicted of murder and sentenced to death.

_ Aug. 19, 1993: Dr. George Tiller is shot in the arms as he drives out of parking lot at his Wichita, Kan., clinic. Rachelle "Shelley" Shannon is later convicted and sentenced to 11 years in prison.

_ March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn is shot to death outside Pensacola, Fla., clinic, becoming the first U.S. doctor killed during an anti-abortion demonstration. Michael Griffin is convicted and serving a life sentence.

If a Palestinian carried out the April 2007 incident in Israel it would be considered an act of terrorism by any international standard.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:23 PM
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22. For almost the entire Bush II administration the violence stopped?
That's how it looks from that list.
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asphalt.jungle Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:41 PM
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25. because terrorists only lash out when they feel the power structure
is against them. it started up again in 2007 after they realized bush was just giving lip service.
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:17 PM
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18. Thank you for the statement.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:18 PM
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19. Kill sentient, living human beings to save fetuses.
Yeah, that's the ticket. I totally despise these "right to life" (only if you're a fetus) bastards. :mad:
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 08:33 AM
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37. Mr. President, Please find out where this domestic terrorist got the gun. nt
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