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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 11:47 AM
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Obama's supports the new Graham-Lieberman secrecy law

June 1, 2009
Obama's support for the new Graham-Lieberman secrecy law
By Glenn Greenwald

Glenn Greenwald was previously a constitutional law and civil rights litigator in New York. He is the author of the New York Times Bestselling book "How Would a Patriot Act?," a critique of the Bush administration's use of executive power, released in May 2006. His second book, "A Tragic Legacy", examines the Bush legacy.



It was one thing when President Obama reversed himself last month by announcing that he would appeal the Second Circuit's ruling that the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) compelled disclosure of various photographs of detainee abuse sought by the ACLU. Agree or disagree with Obama's decision, at least the basic legal framework of transparency was being respected, since Obama's actions amounted to nothing more than a request that the Supreme Court review whether the mandates of FOIA actually required disclosure in this case. But now -- obviously anticipating that the Government is likely to lose in court again (.pdf) -- Obama wants Congress to change FOIA by retroactively narrowing its disclosure requirements, prevent a legal ruling by the courts, and vest himself with brand new secrecy powers under the law which, just as a factual matter, not even George Bush sought for himself.

The White House is actively supporting a new bill jointly sponsored by Sens. Lindsey Graham and Joe Lieberman -- called The Detainee Photographic Records Protection Act of 2009 -- that literally has no purpose other than to allow the government to suppress any "photograph taken between September 11, 2001 and January 22, 2009 relating to the treatment of individuals engaged, captured, or detained after September 11, 2001, by the Armed Forces of the United States in operations outside of the United States." As long as the Defense Secretary certifies -- with no review possible -- that disclosure would "endanger" American citizens or our troops, then the photographs can be suppressed even if FOIA requires disclosure. The certification lasts 3 years and can be renewed indefinitely. The Senate passed the bill as an amendment last week.

The debate over whether there is value in disclosing these specific photographs is entirely misplaced. That isn't how open government works. The burden isn't on citizens to prove that there is value in disclosure. Everything that government does is supposed to be transparent to the public unless there is a compelling reason for secrecy -- and the whole point of FOIA always has been that mere embarrassment, the mere fact that information reflects poorly on our government, isn't a legitimate ground for concealment. That's a critical principle for open government. This new law explicitly guts that principle. It institutionalizes the pernicious notion that secrecy is justified where disclosure would reflect badly on the Government and thus "endanger" American citizens and/or our troops.

Combine all of this with the increasingly disturbing spectacle taking place in a California federal court in the Al-Haramain case -- where the Obama DOJ is on the verge of being sanctioned by a federal judge for defying the court's order to make available documents relating to Bush's illegal eavesdropping activities -- and the infatuation with excessive presidential secrecy, the linchpin of government abuse, appears alive and well in the new administration. Is there really anyone who wants to argue that defiance of a federal court's order and enacting a new law authorizing suppression of torture evidence -- the disclosure of which is compelled both by courts and FOIA -- are remotely consistent with anything Obama said he would do, or remotely consistent with what a healthy democratic government would do?

Please read the complete article at:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/06/01/photos/index.html


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Federal Judge Threatens DOJ Lawyers With Sanctions in Warrantless Wiretapping Case

Evan Hill
The Recorder
May 26, 2009

Government lawyers trying to fend off a much-watched warrantless wiretapping case in federal court now face sanctions and the possibility of a judgment that the United States committed illegal surveillance (pdf), following an order filed on Friday by Northern District of California Chief Judge Vaughn Walker (.pdf).

Walker, bringing to a head months of volleying between the government, the plaintiffs and himself, ordered Justice Department lawyers to explain why he should not essentially enter a default judgment against the government for violating the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act by spying on the Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation.

The government has refused to obey court orders by repeatedly stonewalling Walker's attempt to move the case forward, Walker wrote.

If he rules as threatened, Al-Haramain would win without forcing the government to acknowledge surveillance.

The government unwittingly set the Al-Haramain litigation into motion years ago by accidentally disclosing to the charity a classified document that reportedly shows a summary of intercepted phone conversations.

The government retrieved the document and has asserted the state secrets privilege to try to dismiss the Al-Haramain case, on the grounds that without the classified information, Al-Haramain can't prove surveillance.

Government officials, including the director of the National Security Agency, are refusing to cooperate "because, they assert, plaintiffs' attorneys do not 'need to know' the information that the court has determined they do need to know," Walker wrote.

Please read the complete article at:

http://www.law.com/jsp/law/careercenter/lawArticleCareerCenter.jsp?id=1202430954779&rss=careercenter
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 11:52 AM
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1. We need to flood Congress & the WH with feedback.
If we're in the minority so be it, but this is an outrage.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 11:52 AM
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2. Obama should be smart enough to know that covering up the war crimes
of another makes him complacent in those crimes.

Obama has a lot to lose by pursuing this road.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 11:55 AM
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3. Have the new FOIA Attorney General guidelines been published yet?
They are suppose to retract George W. Bush's guidelines which placed bigger restrictions on what material could be released under the Freedom of Information Act.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 12:03 PM
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5. 'Complacency' makes them 'complicit'. nt
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 01:19 PM
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10. That's what I meant. Fingers moving faster than the brain.
;)
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 12:04 PM
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6. He has a much to gain
More power for the office of the president.

By giving the ball to Congress , he's showing that he does lack the courage needed in relation to some things, and that his administration is very interested in consolidating the power grab that the Bush administration began.

And once again we will have a president using the troops on the ground as a cover for his own agenda, whatever that might turn out to be.

Please, none of the spin how the troops will be in danger, they already are as are American civilians. This has more to do with the fallout from other governments should those photos be released and the effects on the foreign policy agenda of the US.

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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 12:06 PM
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7. And yet, down the road he goes.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 12:02 PM
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4. Also, link below.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 12:11 PM
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8. Well, I'm sure the apologists will explain how this is yet something else that isn't exactly what
it seems to be...
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 03:08 PM
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17. Yeah, I Hear Ya!!! Give HIM MORE TIME!! Gee... More Time & See What
is happening?? At this rate "more time" means we've LOST much more than we gained!! As I said somewhere else, yes... McCain/Palin would have been worse I guess, but at LEAST I KNEW what they had in mind!!

I NEVER SAW ALL THIS COMING!! This is getting disgraceful!!!!!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 01:56 PM
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11. Greenwald is being disingenuous... ever hear of SCOTUS case ACLU v. Department of Defense (06-3140)?
Obama is not necessarily supporting The Detainee Photographic Records Protection Act of 2009... the White House is turning to the Supreme Court in the detaineee FOIA case.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/29/scotus.detainee.photos/index.html

It looks like Greenwald is jonesing for a new documentary. Hey! I do eery, scary music as a sidebar business...maybe he wants some for the soundtrack...

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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 02:18 PM
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12. Of course. Greenwald is just trying to line up money for a movie ....
Edited on Mon Jun-01-09 02:27 PM by Better Believe It
that's what it's all about .... that's the ticket "scary music" person!

Any other political insight you'd like to share with us "scary music" person?

Didn't read this and other articles relating to both the legislative and court actions, did you?

The Obama administration is buying time with court appeals, they worry that even the Supreme Court might rule the pictures must be released under the FOIA. The legal delay tactics might buy enough time to have legislation passed exempting the photos from public release under the Freedom of Information Act.

You don't understand that or are you just being disingenuous?

It seems you don't take our civil liberties and Constitution and defenders of our freedoms very seriously.

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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 02:26 PM
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13. You don't pay attention
I take civil liberties, the Constitution and our freedoms VERY SERIOUSLY. I also can fucking read. Did you skip the class on the Supreme Court?

:crazy:
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 02:33 PM
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14. If that's true start acting like it and stop being so disingenuous.
I know you can read and that you have even learned some words that don't include the f word.

Are you expecting applause?

But now you must go to the next level. Try to understand the actual meaning of words and sentences you have read.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 02:45 PM
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16. So now that I have caught with your pants down...
...oh ferchrissakes, can you read the article about how Obama is taking the case to SCOTUS? Greenwald is a blowhole sometimes. He's itching for new documentary stuff and thinks he can misrepresent Obama for good measure to fill his pockets with money.

Obama is taking the detainee FOIA issue to SCOTUS... and it makes Mr. Greenwald very sad... no scary anti-Obama documentary in time for the Holidays. Boo fucking hoo.

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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 03:20 PM
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18. I see you still can't understand the article

It's not that hard to understand, really!

Now I don't have anymore time to waste on this foolishness so I won't go over each word in the article and try to patiently explain their meaning to you.

You seem to be the only poster who is having a problem with it.

Do you really think that President Obama is going to the supremes because he expects the Supreme Court will rule in his favor?
And if he does, that would even be a worse reason for going to the Supreme Court!

It's just a delaying tactic until legislation is passed.

Now that's how things work in real politics.

If you don't understand such a simple thing I really can't help you.
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solstice Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 02:39 PM
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15. Did Obama ever meet a secrecy law he didn't support (or try to strengthen)?
I wish we had a thousand Glenn Greenwalds.
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