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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 11:22 AM
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The Obama Effect -- Political Attack Ads Backfiring for Canada's Conservative Prime Minister
Edited on Mon Jun-08-09 11:26 AM by ClarkUSA
The warm glow of Obama positivism is even being felt up in Canada. The current Conservative government of Prime Minister Stephen Harper has unleashed venomous attack ads challenging the patriotism of his opponent, Michael Ignatieff, a Canadian who was a professor for many years at Harvard University. But a new poll shows that while the ads have caused some voters to think less of Ignatieff, an even greater number of voters think less of Harper for running the critical commercials.

The ads are backfiring, which is a new development for Canada. When the Conservatives ran attack ads during the summer of 2007 against Ignatieff's predecessor, Stephane Dion, the ads had the desired effect. Support for Dion's party dropped and Harper managed to cling to power in the October 2008 election... what has changed in the past year and a half that would explain why negative advertising is losing its punch? The answer is the election of President Barack Obama by the young voters of America.

Obama is transforming the American political landscape, and Canadian voters are happily being swept up with his zeal and popular support. In his battle with Hillary Clinton in the primaries and the subsequent campaign against Republican leader John McCain, Obama refused to be negative or divisive. He rejected "old-style" politics. He emphasized that the US is a great country, and that by working collectively Americans could achieve great things. He offered a path to restoring the American sense of pride that had taken such a beating during the George W. Bush years... My research reveals that Canadian young adults feel the same way, only more so. They want to see a strong, competent and open government. They want political leaders to discuss intelligently the real issues facing the country, of which there are plenty. In particular, they want the minority government in Ottawa to operate with the country's best interests at heart, not partisan gain. Canadians are keen students of American politics, and Obama's behaviour since being elected President has reinforced Canada's predisposition to goodwill and civility.

The contrast between the Obama and Harper styles couldn't be starker
... Harper is spending millions of dollars to denigrate his opponent and question his commitment to Canada. This tactic runs counter to the evolving Canadian mood, particularly amongst the young, who view such antics as toxic to the welfare of the country. The ads are backfiring, and justly so.


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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 11:25 AM
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1. Finally...
we have OUR transformative figure, and he's gone GLOBAL with it.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 11:30 AM
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2. First the Lebanese vote outcome, now this. If Iran's reform candidate Mousavi wins/Harper loses...
Edited on Mon Jun-08-09 11:33 AM by ClarkUSA
... then the Obama Effect will gain even more momentum.




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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 11:38 AM
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3. Exactly - the Cairo speech
was aimed in part at affecting the Lebanese and Iranian elections. My Lebanese wife and her family are turning handsprings over these election results.

I always thought Obama was smart - now he's gettin' downright scary.
I remember telling my wife after we watched the '04 convention speech, "the Republicans should be VERY AFRAID of this man - he's gonna be hell to run against in 2012."

So I was off by 4 years - never been happier to be wrong.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 11:44 AM
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6. Yes, President Obama is playing foreign policy chess on a scale we've never seen before.
I'm glad you were wrong, too. ;)

I'm also happy for your wife and her family. Did she get to vote? I've heard stories of Lebanese flying into the country to cast their votes. Now that's pretty amazing.



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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 11:51 AM
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7. My wife's not registered, but...
the "march 14th" coalition was actually paying the airfare for people to come back and vote - the turnout has been unprecedented.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 11:58 AM
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9. Wow. That's awesome. Talk about being fired up and ready to go!
Edited on Mon Jun-08-09 12:09 PM by ClarkUSA
:fistbump:

I hope you and the family will celebrate today. Yum... baklava.


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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 12:27 PM
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11. Baklava's good, but
Edited on Mon Jun-08-09 12:28 PM by damonm
my Mother-In-Law makes Tabouleh that is second to NONE.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 01:56 PM
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19. What can I say? I've got a major sweet tooth for fine pastry.
Edited on Mon Jun-08-09 01:57 PM by ClarkUSA
Thank God for mothers and mother-in-laws, eh? ;)

BTW, you and your wife might be interested in my newest OP: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8457920



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asphalt.jungle Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 11:38 AM
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4. only Europe is going backwards
and that's probably why Obama doesn't have time for non-business related schmoozing when it comes to them. They are electing a bunch of assholes.

http://www.france24.com/en/20090607-exit-polls-say-centre-right-parties-ahead-eu-vote-parliament-extremists.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 11:53 AM
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8. I know. EU and British voters are reacting to inept governments who botched the financial crisis.
Edited on Mon Jun-08-09 12:00 PM by ClarkUSA
that's probably why Obama doesn't have time for non-business related schmoozing when it comes to them. They are electing a bunch of assholes.

I agree.

The opposite happened in Iceland. Wingnuts there brought the Icelandic economy to its knees and the voters there put a uber-lefty party in power led by a lesbian (a world first). If you knew how macho Iceland is, you'd know this is nothing short of a miracle. But anger is the source of all these EU changes.

Never fear. The pendulum will swing back once conservatives start cutting back on social welfare state services.


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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 04:21 PM
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25. All sounds good - now pleeeease can you export a little of that to the UK? It looks like the Tories
will win here, sadly.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 12:03 PM
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10. Looks like Teflon sometimes coats a guy on our side. nt
Edited on Mon Jun-08-09 12:04 PM by Arugula Latte
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 12:42 PM
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15. Well
put.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 11:43 AM
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5. And Harper's defeat would be an excellent outcome. I remember saying,
after seeing this weekend's photos of the assembled leaders, that only Harper seem stand-offish. I thought maybe I read too much into it, but I think Harper probably despises Pres. Obama, and he probably has good reason. There were photos of the president warmly greeting & even chuckling with the others, but not Harper.
:shrug:
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 02:52 PM
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22. Harper always looks like that
Either stand-offish or scared like a cat in a room full of rocking chairs.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 03:53 PM
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23. LMAO. You've described him perfectly. (nt)
:rofl:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 12:34 PM
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12. Obama decimated the efficacy of ugly politics.
I waited for Obama's opponents to reach the moment of cosmic realization, but it never came. The end-result was always predictable, but those inclined to run political races in that way are impervious to what is right in front of their faces.

I'm glad to see those inclined to continue on that route fail. It reinforces Obama's message and spirit of decency.

:hi:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 12:47 PM
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16. I remember one of his lines
in the rallies after a particularly grueling one of mccain-palin's was, "They called me everything but a child of God".

I swear that wiped away everything bad.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 01:12 PM
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17. *
:hi:

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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 07:07 PM
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33. I remember watching him say that. Yeah, that was a great smackdown.
The crowd roared, too. :)


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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 07:34 PM
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34. And, I was roaring at home
like a lady lion.:D
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 07:43 PM
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35. I think I heard you. You were loud!
Edited on Mon Jun-08-09 07:44 PM by ClarkUSA
Ah, we Obama supporters have so many movement moments to cherish and share. :D


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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 07:53 PM
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36. +64 Million
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 01:44 PM
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18. Yes. He. Did.
:hi:

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 12:38 PM
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13. Next up on the Obama transformative express, the Islamic Republic of Iran
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 12:42 PM
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14. Doesn't Harper have anything else to offer
Edited on Mon Jun-08-09 12:48 PM by Cha
besides attacking? Is he that afraid of his opponent? Questions that need to be asked when all one does is spend millions on attack ads.

I'm so happy this is happening..I'm sick to pieces of that old way of doing things.

Thankfully, along came Obama. Yay. We use to always envy Canada when bush was in and now they have Harper and we finally have someone we can relate to.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 04:19 PM
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24. Demonization worked the last time. They thought it would work again.
Pres. Obama's opponents in the primary and the general election tried to take him down using the same Rovian moves. But they didn't work because people were tired of being manipulated by fear and lies. And Barack Obama brought out the best in the American voting majority, encouraging them to vote their hopes instead of their fears.

Yay. We use to always envy Canada when bush was in and now they have Harper and we finally have someone we can relate to.

Yeah, we're the envy of most of the world now. Who woulda thunk it?





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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 04:42 PM
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27. I hope for Canada's sake that
Harper goes..he's not worthy.

It is truly amazing that we have the gift of reality in our government now. It is something to be treasured and supported because the fascist psychos are always looking for a way to destroy like a cancer.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 04:51 PM
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28. I hope so. They deserve better, as did America last year.
Edited on Mon Jun-08-09 04:53 PM by ClarkUSA
It is something to be treasured and supported because the fascist psychos are always looking for a way to destroy like a cancer.

True. Not only the fascist psychos either. There are plenty of DLC psychos who enjoy corporate whoring and playing from the Rovian handbook, too. And I pity us if we go back to that. But for now, it's enough to enjoy the sight and sound of our guy leading the world in a direction of peace and sanity.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 04:59 PM
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30. And, it's not only dlc..
there's all kinds of anonymous deadenders looking for ways to distract on the internet in the name of so called "accountability".

Honest criticism is one thing but the distracters aren't fooling anyone.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 05:30 PM
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31. No they aren't.
I'm sure after their daily dose of sour grapes "accountability" outrage and catty remarks, they pray for deliverance in 2016. Yep, "deadenders" describes them well.



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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 02:06 PM
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20. The NDP are about to crush the other two parties in NS because of attack ads
Not theirs, either. The PCs have gone impressively unhinged, to the point of equating the NDP leader with a car thief in a televised debate. The only Conservative ads I've heard in the last two weeks of the campaign basically consist of saying "NDP" and "union bosses" as often as possible.

Tomorrow's gonna be hilarious.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 04:28 PM
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26. How do you think they'll do overall?
Thanks for chiming in, because from the two descriptions on this thread, it appears the PCs are totally out-of-touch/nuts with their ad campaign.


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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 04:52 PM
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29. If we don't get an NDP majority I'll be astonished
They're polling at close to 50%, which is tremendous in Canadian races. (Federally, the Liberals have pulled majorities out of mid-30s polls.)
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 02:46 PM
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21. I've been seeing these ads and wondering....
Edited on Mon Jun-08-09 02:54 PM by TrogL
:wtf:

Remember, in Canada the next election could happen at any moment assuming there's a non-confidence style motion on the floor (eg. budget). Or, the Prime Minister can simply throw a tantrum and call an election.

Ray Martin, an NDP candidate in an Edmonton, Alberta riding, recently announced completely out of the blue that he will be the NDP candidate in the next election. What election?!?

:wtf:


Harper's been running anti-Ignatieff ads practically non-stop, and most of them are so wierd the only coherent reaction is:

:wtf:

One a few days ago was something about a vacation and the one running yesterday I couldn't even figure out what exactly the issue was.

The only conclusion I can reach is that Harper wants an election right now. The question is why?? The only thing I can think of is that his party is rapidly losing its popularity and we wants to squeeze in a snap election so that if he wins, the opposition won't want to cause an almost-immediate fall of the government if the Conservatives lose even more momentum.

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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 06:13 PM
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32. Thanks for your funny take on what's happening. Makes me wish those ads were on YouTube.
Edited on Mon Jun-08-09 06:16 PM by ClarkUSA
Whoever produced the ads should be avoided at all costs in the future by NDP. :D

Do you think Harper wants an election now because it capitalizes on the lingering images of his D-Day coverage? I'm glad President Obama sat away from Harper so as to deprive him of a photo-op.


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