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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 02:04 PM
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Do we have the votes to repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell?
I think that everyone here in DU is in agreement that DADT should be repealed. Yet neither Congress nor the Preisdent has said or done anything since the November election to lead us to beleive that this will be happeneing any time soon.

Many Democrats in Congress are from districts which socially conservative. Could it be that there simply aren't enough members of Congress who support the repeal?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 02:07 PM
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1. My guess is its the same song and dance as we face w/ a lot of bills
Votes are there in the House, but not enough to clear cloture in the Senate.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 02:14 PM
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2. 51 probably, but not 60
I think Dems should attach it to the next defense appropriations bill and dare the GOP to filibuster it. Every day they filibuster, Dems run ads saying that they want to cut off funding for the troops.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 02:24 PM
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3. What about the House?
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 02:36 PM
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5. I don't see a problem finding 218 in the House
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quiller4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 04:27 PM
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14. I think it would be difficult to find more than 170 or so in the house.
I am not sure that there are even 50 votes in the Senate. I wish it weren't so but I'm afraid that is the way things stand now.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 04:31 PM
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19. No, no. The House is a bit more liberal and younger crowd. I think we're clear there.
It's the damn Senate we're fucked in.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 06:45 PM
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29. That would actually be a good idea, since DADT is directly related to the military just like defense
spending is, so attaching the repeal of DADT to defense spending makes sense.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 02:26 PM
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4. If I had to guess: House, yes. Senate, more than 50 but less than 60. nt
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 09:56 PM
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11. i actually put the senate at less than 50
I think that DADT is a socially charged enough to scare more than just the blue dogs and the DLC.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 04:31 PM
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18. I didn't read your post. I agree with you. n/t
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 04:30 PM
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17. You're being kind. House, yes. Senate more than 30 but less than 50. n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 02:55 PM
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6. I think neither the House nor the Senate wants to take this issue up right now.
I think neither wants to touch it during Obama's first term, either. Any time you see stuff land in committee when there's not pressing language issues to be worked out, that's a stall tactic.

And then, there's THIS: http://www.baywindows.com/index.php?ch=news&sc=blog&sc2=news&sc3=&id=92180
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 03:03 PM
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7. Looking for it happen in 2010
Barney Frank said in that Congress won't take it up until then and the same has been heard unoffically from the WH since the election that it's on agenda for 2010
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 03:23 PM
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8. Maybe. The Supremes have given the government "breathing room."
They aren't pushing the matter (or taking it up): http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gY0fGi1hLfp2_NW6yO6Iblm2l16QD98MKANG0

If they can't pass the bulk of their "prioritized" agenda, it may get pushed back. Conservative Democrats, and even moderates, are always chickenshit when it draws close to reelection time. They run away from legislation that has potential to be "controversial." If they can't get it taken care of and out of the way early enough on, they'll wait. And that could bode ill, because it's not unusual for the party in power to lose a few seats -- nature of the beast.

The time to move forward on this matter is now, but I don't sense an enthusiasm on the Hill for it. I wish it were otherwise. I think they're all focused on Health Care, and they want to see something jinned up with Teddy K's name on it passed before they do pretty much anything else.

Time will tell, though.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 04:32 PM
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20. Obama has been pushing the House to do something. They've done nothing.
It seems as though he's going to have to step in and take care of DADT when he's got a few other things squared away.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 07:01 PM
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30. Really? Do you have any evidence of that?
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 04:02 PM
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9. We?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:20 PM
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12. Sorry for assuming that you support gay rights
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 04:34 PM
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22. There are scary Dems of all kinds. The Senate should give you an idea.
Pay no mind to the one who may not have any respect for an individuals right to everything stated in the constitution despite gender.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 06:37 PM
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28. Sorry you misinterpreted my post
It could be interpreted 2 ways. But so could the OP. And I interpreted it differently than most, based on history. And I think I am right.
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 04:07 PM
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10. If we had the votes it would be repealed. n/t
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 04:35 PM
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23. Good point. I don't know what's going to happen to this and O is taking all the heat.
I think he'll get this done though.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:48 PM
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13. Its going to be a tough fight. Most of the Democrats in the Senate now
Edited on Tue Jun-09-09 04:30 PM by Thrill
voted for it, that were in there then. Even our VP

I'll never forget the vote. I'm pretty sure Boxer, Feingold, and Specter were the only ones to say, No to that gay bashing legislation. And I know Orin Hatch thought it was stupid
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quiller4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 04:28 PM
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15. didn't Kennedy say "No"? n/t
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 04:33 PM
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21. I don't think so. I could be wrong. But I can only remember Boxer and Feingold.
And of course the great Paul Wellstone
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 04:29 PM
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16. Do we have it in the Senates?! The way shit is going with the Public Option in the Sen, I doubt it.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 04:37 PM
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26. Hence the old expression "the Senate is where all good bills go to die"
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 04:35 PM
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24. Believe it or not, there needs to be a stronger case to get it repealed
Edited on Tue Jun-09-09 04:35 PM by zulchzulu
I know. It's stupid. It's asinine. But...

There needs to be a march by veterans of past wars and the ones now who are gay who show the human face of this tragic legislation. People who vote for this crap need to be shamed into submission.

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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 04:36 PM
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25. You're right but I feel we have to make the point in front of conservative districts.
This shit is out of control.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 06:33 PM
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27. Difficult now. That's what those who want it asap don't understand. Obama needs to work it.
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