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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:17 PM
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House Democrats heatlh care plan much more moderate than expected
Health care reform debate -- which has been worked on mostly behind closed doors until this point -- has hit the floor and the public today.

Earlier today, House Democrats released an outline of their bill. (Forgive the jargon, but it's called the "House Tri-Committee bill" because three House committees with jurisdiction over healthcare have been working on it.)

The surprising thing about the House Dems version is that it appears much more moderate than people expected, and it seems to reflect the concerns of Blue Dog Democrats and moderates who have big problems with a Medicare-like public plan.

There are three big questions on health care reform:
1) Will there by a public/government? option that would compete with private plans?
2) Will there be mandates (on individuals to have coverage and on employers to provide it?
3) How will it all paid for?

The House Dems version does have a public/government option, but it's not a Medicare-like plan favored by liberals like Ted Kennedy. Instead, the bill will have a "public health insurance option that's self-sustaining and competes on a level field with private insurers."

The House Dems version also has a "pay or play" mandate for employers to provide health insurance to their workers, but it is not a strict as business groups had feared.

And on the third big issue -- how do you pay for all of this? -- well, House Dems avoided that one. The bill puts no new revenue ideas on the table, and doesn't even begin to talk about how to pay for it any detail.


http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/06/09/1958207.aspx
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:19 PM
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1. Oh we expected it. Nothing new here. n/t
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:21 PM
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5. Well, then, we have to DO something about it, don't we?
I've already started with Dodd...
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:26 PM
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10. Like I said in another thread, phone and faxes to record your displeasure until
Thursday. If they haven't gotten the hint by the time of the hearing on Thursday, then it's torches and pitchforks time.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:27 PM
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11. Public Option to be introduced on Friday
This is a procedural placeholder that only has the uncontested portions in it. But if we don't make noise, it's possible they'll think we aren't serious and skip out on the public option and the open enrollment.
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:49 PM
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15. That's the Senate HELP bill that will have it on Friday.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:57 PM
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16. This is what I think but the other bill will be debated on Thursday. Our
Senators need to know our mood before then.
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 06:39 PM
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21. Excellent, Sandnsea, thanks for posting this info...nt
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:20 PM
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2. It's like changing a flat tire with another flat tire!
The Democrats do such a good job accomodating everyone but the people who voted them into office.

It's time for those people to force the Dems into new careers. It ain't workin' from our side of the deal, folks. It. Just. Isn't. Working. For. Us.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:21 PM
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3. The House Democratic version is good for shit and should not be passed!

Period.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:21 PM
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4. Ouch! What's that big pointy thing
sticking out of my chest?
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:22 PM
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6. That's crap!
Makes me think we'd have like 34 votes in the Senate and would struggle to get to plurality in the House for an actual single payer. People have acted like a real public option is nothing but I think we'll have to battle very hard to get even that far.

Single payer hasn't been on the table because there are nowhere near enough votes to pass it, regardless of public popularity, which is softer than advocates will admit.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:25 PM
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9. Yes we will
That's why it was kind of important that the Health Care Organizing meetings not be sabatoged by the single payer people. Hopefully there are enough of the OFA groups ready to fight over the next couple of days so the public option gets introduced in the Senate on Friday.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 04:03 PM
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17. So what are the Health Care Organizing Meetings Demanding?
What are the demands, if any?

Links please.

And where and when are all these mass meetings being held?
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 01:01 AM
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24. The OFA groups are all in favor of single payer
At least the ones in the Seattle area are.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:23 PM
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7. The more things change
the more they stay the same.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:23 PM
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8. Nobody fought for the public option
As long as half the Democrats refuse to budge off of single payer, it will look like nobody cares about the public option so they will be able to avoid it. If people want it, they better get moving.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:33 PM
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12. You have a point
Politics requires a bit of negotiation.. but you also have rigidity on the other side (like Landrieu,) wanting no public option or a weak public option.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 04:54 PM
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20. We've got to mobilize and educate
Somehow or other we've got to figure out how to reach people, everywhere from Ben Nelson's Nebraska to Mary Landrieu's Louisiana. They're the exact ones we need to push on. That and my own Wyden who is about to face a rude awakening if he doesn't get with the program here.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 04:10 PM
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19. Why don't the other half of Democrats budge off of the "Third Way"?
And unto single-payer?
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:36 PM
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13. Ted Kennedy's plan is the only way to go. This is garbage
Fuckers are bought and paid for.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 01:02 AM
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25. Kennedy's plan sucks. It would force us all to subsidize the insurance shitstains n/t
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 01:09 AM
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27. Agreed...that annoys me. The only positive is a sort of tolerable public option plan. n/t
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 01:28 AM
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29. It's tolerable only if it is adequately funded
Forcing us to subsidize parasitic middlemen will guarantee the it won't get adequate funding.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 03:36 PM
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14. There's no point in having a public option that is on a level
playing field with big insurance. What the hell are they thinking? The only thing that MIGHT keep the insurance companies in check is a government option that offers the best coverage for the lowest rates. I'm so totally disgusted I want to scream. Don't they realize lives literally depend on this?
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-09-09 04:06 PM
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18. Useless facade behind which to claim they're enacting health payment reform.
It won't do what needs to be done.
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 12:31 AM
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22. K & R n/t
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 12:37 AM
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23. What the hell
I expect this from the Senate, the House bill should at least as good Kennedy's if not better.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 01:07 AM
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26. I like the idea of a self sustaining public option.
Then we find out the true cost of insurance without profit. And nobody will get it free, as it should be.

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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 01:16 AM
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28. LOL - And once again America doesn't get it.
God help you all if that becomes the final version.
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