I AM OFFICIALLY REBELLING AGAINST THESE DEMOCRATS!!!

I just read about the very moderate, watered down, shadow of it's former self health care reform bill.

IS THIS WHY WE FOUGHT SO HARD???!!!

IS this why we wanted to knock down the Republican lock on power? So they could do the interests of doctors, insurance, and others in medical behemoth?

I am telling you this right now. I will vote against both of my Democratic Senators and my Democratic representative in the next election based on this. Because if this is what they are then I don't want any part of it.

should be exposed.

A list of who took how much from whom needs to be posted, publicized, Republican or Democrat, makes no difference.

The Public Option will be introduced on Friday. This is the part that has to be introduced for comment before final markup.

I don't know what is going on in the House.

They shut single-payer out of the discussion - so this process does not include the most important stakeholder the American people.

We need Democrats who aren't afraid of wielding power when we have it.

the Conservatives approve. Why even bother with the next election?

I fear you will have a lot of company among rank and file Democrats
who will not say anything. Just not show up at the polls the
next election.

No bill is better than a bad bill.

GOP, stop whining you are still in power.

To let the interests of a minuscule number of people win big over the very vast majority is not democracy.

What do you call a government run by corporations, again?

Oh, yeah, THAT'S RIGHT! FASCISM!

Let's be honest with ourselves and acknowledge this is the most correct label you can put on our current form of government.

-90% Jimmy

It is so so sad that I have worked along with all of you to bring about what we hoped--a Dem President and majorities in Congress for the first time since 1993, and I believe because they aren't courageous or even that moral, the Senators and Reps won't do what they should do for us as leaders. That will lead us to defeats in 2010 and Clinton Redux. Obama will be stymied at every turn by a vocal and venal GOP majority.

and I am making sure they KNOW how pissed off I am.

It's actually a procedural bill because they have to allow Republicans comment. If they put the public option in there now, it may never get to the mark-up stage. That's why it's happening this way. I'm trying to get together the links into a rational post, but also taking a minute to talk to a few people here. We definitely need to be on the phones right now demanding a public option.

I wonder.

tee hee. Itll be a big doosey. All the Democrats that fought for it will be heroes. Everyone will go home happy. In 10 years, health care will still suck

To add to your "In 10 years, health care will still suck"

Wouldn't that be something if they triggered it?

I think it is just funny how the politicians lowered everyone's expectations/perception so much that they will declare it a victory if they get any type of a "public option", even if it sucks completely and changes nothing. Sometimes its all about smoke and mirrors, but people fall for it.

Everyone here is screaming '"public option" this', '"public option" this'! Who knows if they care if its publicly funded, allowed to negotiate, doctors are forced to take it, and the overall playing field is leveled (by outlawing arbitrary denial of claims for example).

I think they are going to slip some "public option" in so that everyone declares victory and goes home happy. The Republicans would have a new useless badguy to fight against, and the Democrats will have a new useless goodguy to defend.

All UR bubbles R belong to Wall Streetz

We can send insurance packing like they're doing with U.S. auto makers.

:wow:

First and foremost, it presumes the feel good "public option" your heroes bring you won't be engineered to fail.

Since most people don't even care about the "public option's" contents, but rather its existence, it wont be difficult for them to run roughshod over the people

I am stoked up. I was sitting in a slow burn just waiting for them to see what they would do and base my actions on that.

THEY JUST MADE A VERY MEAN ENEMY!!!!

If Im going to fight for something, its going to be single-payer, not this bullshit Third Way approach (strong, weak or no 'public option' alike)

SINGLE PAYER. But I also told them on the phone that this is ridiculous that they don't even have a workable public option even in the discussion thus far. Just tons of limits on it to make it operate within the confines of an existing and shitty system run by the big insurance companies.

insurance companies and drug companies as much as the rest of you.

And in fact most doctors want Single Payer.

Thanks.

About when are they going to just start burning this shit and pull out the single-payer legislation? This is getting ridiculous

believe a public option is going to force them to charge less for a whole host of procedures and they believe they might lose money due to public option.

If that is wrong, then I apologize for the error.

getting reimbursed for something we already do for free is going to make a lot of docs happy.

Even the Republican Fox News watching doctors give a lot of free care in my community. I'm sure they won't be cryin' when they no longer have to shlep down to the ER/OR at 2 am to do a surgery for free.

WE MUST REACT AS A CROWD ON THIS!! Just like we did with social security privatization. Just like we did with FCC media ownership consolidation.

WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE AS A LARGE GROUP!!!

I had someone insist on Saturday that Wyden had absolutely signed on to Olympia Snowe's trigger, officially. They told me again today that he hadn't and hadn't decided on it. I'd sure like to know what's what.

I told him the bill had to have open enrollment and public option, thanks for the reminder.

:)

.... because Senators Alexander, Corker and Rep. Wamp make their livelihoods off of screwing over me and my fellow Tennesseans on a daily basis.

It could be much worse my friend, and in supporting someone other than an incumbent Democrat you could insure things become much worse .... count your blessings. ... Lobby your reps. and let them know what you want .... but count your blessings.

Politicians are not 'blessings', they are public servants hired to do a job. They are not in place because we were 'blessed' but because we worked and supported them, with money and time and votes. They are people with a job we gave them, a job we can take away.

I expect Republicans to cater to the RICH and POWERFUL.
That is why I vote for the "Democrat".
When you discover that the "Democrat" is screwing you over, where do you go?

My Dem Senator Schumer has made it his mission to turn any Public option into a hobbled on purpose "so that insurers can compete on a level playing field" made to fail option.

I agree republicans suck, but can not the same be said for Democrats that vote the same way?

My middle ground with your opinion, I will only vote for Dems that Vote Like Dems - All others I will simply consider to be Republicans in drag. (The closeted GOP)