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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 07:52 PM
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Kerry labels long standing demand that Iran stop enriching uranium as ”ridiculous”

Transcript: John Kerry interview

By Daniel Dombey in Washington

Published: June 10 2009 23:33 | Last updated: June 10 2009 23:33

In an interview with the Financial Times, John Kerry, the top Democrat on foreign policy in the US Senate, labels the long standing demand that Iran stop enriching uranium as ”ridiculous”.

A series of UN Security Council resolutions has demanded that Tehran halt enrichment, which can produce both nuclear fuel and weapons grade material. But Mr Kerry, a former Democratic presidential nominee who gave Barack Obama one of his first big political breaks, argues that the world’s big powers should frame more enforceable demands based on treaty obligations Iran has not met.

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What follows is a partial transcript of the June 9 interview, containing Mr Kerry’s main comments about Iran. (Other parts of the interview dealt with other topics.)

Financial Times: Can I ask you about Iran? In both your Brookings and your Aipac speeches, you talked about how the Bush administration had set a series of red lines to see them ignored, to see that the policy had failed. The last red line that the US, that the Bush administration set and saw ignored was the call for Iran to suspend uranium enrichment. You’ve called for an effort to decide a red line and to defend it. What should that red line be?

John Kerry: Well, I want to be very careful there, because I know the administration. I wrote a memo to the president regarding this, in which I outlined my thoughts about the nature of that line.

Suffice it to say it needs to be a line that realistically protects the region and Israel, I emphasise the region, from a perception of completed proliferation. And there are several different ways to define that, I think we should leave that to that definition….

Certainly (the line should be for Iran) not to be a quote nuclear weapon state. Now some people can argue about when you are a nuclear weapons state. Capability versus, different definitions of that, just leave that there for a minute.

The key here is that, first of all the Bush administration (argument of) no enrichment was ridiculous, on its face, because Iran is a signatory to the (nuclear) Non-Proliferation Treaty and whether they are inside or outside their obligations, to ask them to give up something that was within their rights within the treaty assuming they were up to their obligations is a non-starter. It was bombastic diplomacy. It was wasted energy. It sort of hardened the lines, if you will (inaudible).

Because it seemed so unreasonable to people. They have a right to peaceful nuclear power and to enrichment in that purpose. But they don’t have a right, obviously, to be outside of the other restraints of the IAEA and of the non-proliferation agreement. And so the key here was to really open a different kind of dialogue with them about where you draw the line.

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 08:11 PM
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1. How rational! Thank you, John Kerry!
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 08:16 PM
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2. What a grown-up, and me thinks a power behind the scenes. Know why Kerry with a cane on Tuesday?
The 100 mile bike ride, a mere short run for the athletic Senator, was this past weekend.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 08:34 PM
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3. I saw that.
Wonder what happened?

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ObamaKerryDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 05:49 PM
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25. He had a cane??
Ouch. Sounds unpleasant. :( Whatever the cause, I hope he recovers quickly! :)
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 07:42 PM
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27. Me too - I wonder what happened
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 08:48 PM
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4. I'm not surprised that it should be John Kerry to first say this.
I'm just rather surprised that no one has said it before.

And cheers to John Kerry :toast:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 02:27 PM
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18. I heard him say much the same thing in 2006 when Bush was sabre-rattling on Iran and wellknown Dems
were publicly siding with Bush.

Thank stars some of those more famous hawks have recently had their wings clipped and have to follow the new WH policy.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 09:01 PM
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5. K&R!
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 10:30 PM
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6. knr - many Democrats followed the Bush line on enrichment, glad
Kerry is speaking out.

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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 10:44 PM
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7. Ah, common sense, how refreshing. n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 07:06 AM
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8. The key really is what Kerry says it is,

The key here is that, first of all the Bush administration (argument of) no enrichment was ridiculous, on its face, because Iran is a signatory to the (nuclear) Non-Proliferation Treaty and whether they are inside or outside their obligations, to ask them to give up something that was within their rights within the treaty assuming they were up to their obligations is a non-starter. It was bombastic diplomacy. It was wasted energy. It sort of hardened the lines, if you will (inaudible).


If they are within the bounds of the Non-proliferation treaty that they signed (unlike Pakistan and a few other countries), it means that the safeguards in the treaty are either inadequate or most of what we have heard here is demagoguery. If the treaty is inadequate it needs to be strengthened - but not just for Iran.

I do see though where the demands outside the treaty are coming from. I think that some want new agreements that forbid things allowed in the treaty as a "fence". Breaching that "fence" would then dictate action, before the real things - becoming a nuclear nation - are even close to fruition. The problem though is that the Bush administration did not act when their fence was breached - something I am happy for. This did though make it seem that the threat if they did this was never serious, which causes all demands to look like paper threats.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 07:53 AM
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9. Good on him.
Edited on Thu Jun-11-09 07:56 AM by ClarkUSA
I notice that he's reiterating the same policy points Pres. Obama made in his Cairo speech: "They have a right to peaceful nuclear power and to enrichment in that purpose. But they don’t have a right, obviously, to be outside of the other restraints of the IAEA and of the non-proliferation agreement."

That's going to be the new Obama Doctrine baseline for dialogue with Iran. Clearly, President Obama and Senator Kerry are on the same page. Given they are from co-equal branches of government and strong allies, this is nice to see.

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 11:00 AM
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13. Here's a link to a committee hearing on Iran where he clearly was
100% behind the shift in policy. This is not a new position for Senator Kerry. In fact, the same logic is why he supported, but worked to improve a similar policy with India.

The second panel of this hearing is with Nicolas Burns, who had been a deputy secretary of state under Bush. What is very interesting is Burns' assessment that Obama could well have more success getting Russia to act with them on the threat of real sanctions than Bush did - because part of the problem was that Russia thought Bush was intending to use them just as a first step to attacking Iran. http://foreign.senate.gov/hearings/2009/hrg090506a.html

(The first panel is not related to this - but is fascinating to anyone who is interested in how finance systems are misused to facilitate proliferation. Morgenthau - of BCCI fame - caught a British bank which helped Iran purchase centrifuges and other things. It was interesting seeing him with Kerry, knowing their history. )
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 05:29 PM
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22. Thanks... I thought so.
President Obama could not have a better friend, sounding board and ally than Sen. Kerry.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 05:10 PM
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21. Kerry made this point in 2004, and again in 2006 when Bush and neocons were sabre-rattling Iran
Edited on Thu Jun-11-09 05:11 PM by blm
and, yet again, too many of the 'famous' Dems sided with Bush and sabre-rattled right along with the dictatortot.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 05:34 PM
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23. President Obama is fortunate to have a good friend and Senate ally. I'm sure Kerry is delighted...
Edited on Thu Jun-11-09 05:38 PM by ClarkUSA
... that someone is finally listening to him and that someone is his buddy, the POTUS (I'm fairly sure when Barack got into the Senate, he agreed with Kerry 100%).




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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 09:02 AM
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10. It's nice to see a little sanity injected into discussion of this issue
It's certainly better than making apocalyptic warnings about WW3 and Israel getting wiped off the face of the map. While nobody wants to see a nuclear-ARMED Iran, I don't see what the issue is about them wanting to enrich uranium for energy-producing purposes- in accordance with the terms of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty (to which Iran is a signatory). Unfortunately, up to this point, the assumption by our leaders seems to have been that Iran is enriching uranium in pursuit of nuclear weapons which does not appear to be supported by the evidence AFAIK. Kudos to Kerry for pointing this out. *sigh* It's depressing to think how things might just have been a little better for all of us during the previous four years under a Kerry Administration rather than a second Bush (mis-)Administration.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 09:03 AM
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11. SMart, thoughtful, rational adults in charge
After the recent nightmare, I still have to periodically (and virtually) pinch myself. "Bombastic diplomacy" - so well put, Kerry has a very nice way with words.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 09:16 AM
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12. Nice to see some truth.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 11:58 AM
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14. While I am not surprised coming from him, it is good to hear.
(He had made similar statements during his 04 campaign).
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 12:55 PM
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15. True even in the first debate on foreign policy
which took a huge amount of integrity and courage.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 07:32 AM
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29. Unfortunately, the bigname Dems would not back him up on that since they sided with Bush
Edited on Fri Jun-12-09 07:33 AM by blm
on Iran. And Iraq. And...And...And...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 01:37 PM
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16. K&R
Reasonable talk about Iran... so rare.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 01:40 PM
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17. That should drive a stake into the heart of the rampant anti-intellectual bellicosity on Iran.
:thumbsup:
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 02:36 PM
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20. I hope it will at least cause Democrats to avoid
the knee jerk responses that both parties have been prone to in response to outrageous comments from Iran's relatively powerless President. (It still amazes me, that for years we were told that, reasonable as he could be, Khatomi had no power - yet when a lunatic took his place, suddenly he was a powerful threat.)
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 11:18 PM
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28. Especially just before what could be a pivotal election.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 02:35 PM
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19. Kick
Kudos to Senator Kerry. :kick: :patriot:
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ObamaKerryDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 05:47 PM
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24. Kudos to Senator Kerry for (once again) telling it like it is! Proudly K&R! :D
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 06:03 PM
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26. Iran is legally entitled to enrich uranium under the NPT
We should let them enrich uranium, lift the sanctions against them, and resume diplomatic ties. In turn they should allow IAEA inspections and stop funding Hamas and Hezbollah.
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