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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:16 PM
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Democrats hint compromise to win Senate health care deal
Democrats hint compromise to win Senate health care deal
By Mary Agnes Carey and Eric Pianin
Kaiser Health News
June 11, 2009

WASHINGTON — Senate Democrats are offering to scrap a controversial government-sponsored health insurance provision in an effort to win more than a dozen moderate and conservative Republican votes to extend health care coverage to nearly 46 million uninsured Americans.

Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., the chairman of the Finance Committee, signaled his willingness Thursday to compromise to attract enough GOP support to pass the legislation in the Senate this summer with as many as 70 votes.

Baucus emerged from a morning session with key Republicans and Democrats saying he was "inclined toward" jettisoning the proposed government insurance program, which President Barack Obama endorsed last week, in favor of a new proposal to create national, state and regional health care insurance cooperatives.

Republicans oppose the public insurance option, saying it would undermine the private insurance industry and lead to a national health insurance system. Some conservative Democrats also are skeptical of the public plan option, even as they and Baucus support Obama's goals.

Baucus and his longtime ally, Republican Sen. Charles Grassley of Iowa, the ranking Republican on the Finance Committee, frequently have asserted that a party-line vote would tarnish the legislation and undermine efforts to gain broad national acceptance of the health care changes.

Republican Sens. Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine vote frequently with Democrats and are being wooed aggressively by Baucus and other Democratic leaders. They have strong knowledge of the health care system and have been major players in previous health care debates, including the creation of the Medicare prescription drug benefit and the recent expansion of the Children's Health Insurance Program.

Among the other senators being wooed by Democrats are Mike Enzi of Wyoming, a Finance Committee member and the ranking Republican on the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee who's signaled the potential for a deal, despite his recent sharp criticism of the Democrats' handling of the legislation; and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Lamar Alexander of Tennessee. Murkowski and Alexander are on the health panel, which with the Finance Committee is responsible for drafting Senate legislation.

Please read the complete article at:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/1093302.html


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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:17 PM
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That is not a fucking "Compromise!"
New Democratic era of "change:" Fail
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liskddksil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:17 PM
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1. start calling
and don't let up
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 10:47 AM
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22. Those with Blue Dog senators should be extra active.
Talk to your neighbors... these people listen to *constituents* first. So we need their constituents to flood them with calls.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 10:57 AM
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25. Not only. People like Feingold, Kerry, Wyden have not taken position when it comes to public option.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 11:02 AM
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26. Didn't meant to imply that *only* Blue Dogs needed to be pressured. (nt)
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 11:08 AM
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27. I know, and I know that two out of the three at least (not sure for Wyden) are not AGAINST a public
option.

I am more concerned that they are more committed to passing a bill with Republican votes than to pass a bill with a public option. It is probably time to make clear to all that we WANT a public option MORE than a bipartisan vote. If Landrieu and Nelson do not want a public option, let them vote NO to it. Don't weaken the bill for them.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:18 PM
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2. Is anyone else thinking that this is going to suck?
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PM Martin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:18 PM
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3. That is just giving in to the insurance industry.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:26 PM
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4. Conrad and Baucus? Big fucking surprise
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:32 PM
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5. Just accept reality: This is a boondoggle
They can give lip service to "reform" and "change" til the cows come home, yet at the end of the day it will just be the government dumptruck of cash pouring into the insurance companies' trough. As long as they keep referring to the problem of "uninsured Americans" we will know that the "solution" will be to get more customers for our current twisted medical insurance system.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:36 PM
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6. Change We Can Believe In nt
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:43 PM
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7. Uh, you might want to cool it with that. It's not Obama that's doing this, but the freaking
Democratic Senators, especially the ConservaDems.

They are going against the President.

In today's town hall in Green Bay, President Obama was telling the people to take action and tell their representatives in Congress that they want a government public option.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:56 PM
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11. Unless they pass this bill (or something similar) and Obama signs it
after all, it may be one of those "bipartisan compromises" he loves so much.

Obama did say he'd rather get some of what he wants with 60 votes than all of what he wants with 51. Apparently what we may want doesn't matter a whole lot.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 10:20 AM
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16. yes, and I am a biped...unless I grow two additional legs
Edited on Fri Jun-12-09 10:21 AM by Teaser
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:43 PM
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8. Fight this. It's not a compromise but a capitulation to the health care
and pharma lobbyists. Baucus couldn't campaign without his blood money from the industry. http://www.opensecrets.org/races/contrib.php?cycle=2008&id=MTS2
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 07:56 AM
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13. How can Baucus purport to represent us with a straight face? Our campaign finance system is corrupt.
Nothing more than 'legalized bribery.' It still astounds me it is perfectly legal for lobbyists to hold campaign treasurers and fundraisers for members of Congress.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:43 PM
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9. republicans are right.
Democrats are a bunch of weenies. They couldn't fight their way out of a paper sub-committee.

So it comes down to the same question we had about bushco. Are they just incompetent or are they just morally bankrupt? (Of course they can be both.)
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:45 PM
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10. Is this the illusion of doing something? Completely unacceptable.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 11:09 PM
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12. No reform is better than compromised principles
They can take their compromised position and shove it up their .......
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 10:21 AM
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17. I can take some compromise
Hell, a truly huge national co-op might work. Not this tiny ass bullshit.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 09:52 AM
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14. Conrad Co-ops: Not. Fucking. Acceptable.
FUCK corporate health care.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 10:20 AM
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15. Say no to Freddie Mac Health Care
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 10:28 AM
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18. Why even bother?
At this point the senate is clearly just going through the motions. Nothing changes without a government option except even more money flows to the corporate insurance companies. This is not reform, it is a compounding of the problem.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 10:37 AM
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20. well, even if the Senate can't do it...
the House can, and we can force a reconciliation of the House bill through the congress.

Keep fighting.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 10:49 AM
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23. Is this an example of Ben Nelson just going through the motions?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8464316


If there's really no point, why are we even here discussing it? If there's no point, shouldn't we all just take the blue pill and go back to sleep?
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 10:34 AM
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19. "Baucus and his longtime ally, Republican Sen. Charles Grassley" - Oh, what a pair!
nt
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 10:46 AM
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21. Should we just change the name
Edited on Fri Jun-12-09 10:46 AM by Jakes Progress
to Compromise Underground. The party is rapidly becoming less democratic. Check Webster's for a definition and see how much the party is acting like its name. Maybe the Corporate Party.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 10:56 AM
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24. Not a surprise when it comes to Baucus. Time to start calling those Dems on the two committees
to remind them something that works is more important than 70 votes.
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