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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 04:50 PM Original message |
Hypothetical |
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Kitsune (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
1. There is no way Congress will reaffirm DADT. It's incredibly unpopular. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. So you say |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. In a Democratic Congress? |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Well, it's YOUR Democratic Congress that refuses to touch this matter |
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RoadRage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
47. Good Luck... |
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Kitsune (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Your hypothetical is flawed. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. No, it's not |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
56. I doubt it too, but public option health care is incredibly popular and |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
3. VERY hypothetical. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 05:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I don't like the idea of an executive picking and choosing which laws to enforce |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Yes, he should. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. So you don't want DADT actually gone |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. What if they did? |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:08 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. No, the worst that could happen is that real legislation to repeal it |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
12. Here is why congress will go along. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:07 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. So why are we waiting for the executive |
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Kitsune (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Because Congress still has Stockholm Syndrome from the Bush years. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. I see a shitload of legislative initiatives coming out of this admin thus far |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 01:54 AM Response to Reply #15 |
52. You do realize that much of the same idiots who passed DADT and DOMA are still there. |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Are the polls wrong? |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:26 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. If the polls are correct, they wouldn't need to be pushed |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:54 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. So who is behind these false poll results? |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 07:01 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I'm not claiming they're false |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 10:08 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. "nullifying it by executive fiat" = Straw man. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 10:14 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Step 1: Definition |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 10:18 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. You said the OP was about my OP, my OP did not argue for "nullifying it by executive fiat". |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 10:20 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. I did not say it was about your OP |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. We discussed the issue in my OP. Your OP is haphazardly describing my OP. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. My OP is NOT describing your OP |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 10:48 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. I guess there is just a misunderstanding. I should not have let being called "coy" stopped me from |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
16. Can you please cite the "dubious executive mechanisms stated throughout this board"? |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. We had a whole conversation about it, ya big baby |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 08:04 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. I felt like your OP was about little old me, but I wasn't sure since my OP was simply pointing out |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 10:19 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. It is more dubious |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Why shouldn't the Commander in Chief be able to suspend a separation? |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 10:37 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. I never said it was about your OP |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 10:45 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. I understand the law can be used for evil, and I understand the next POTUS may be evil. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 10:59 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. No, absolutely not |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 11:21 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. "do we let the executive do whatever he or she wants simply because we trust them" |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 12:17 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Veto has an override, and is enshrined as a check (with a balance) in the Constitution |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 12:22 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. "nullifying existing law by fiat" He is not nullifying it, he is suspending it. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 01:44 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Of course I want the law to be abolished |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
21. I would stand and applaud Obama's leadership. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 07:09 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Play along now |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
28. and we would be worse off, how? |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Well this is the real issue |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. This isn't the Supreme Court where a bad precedent rules for years |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 10:42 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. I don't agree |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 10:30 PM Response to Original message |
36. If the CiC can get Chinese Moslem terrorists to Palau, he can resolve personnel rules. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 10:43 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Great |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. I never saw the connection between sending disabled soldiers into combat and homophobic policies. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 10:54 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. The connection is that we apparently want the executive |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 12:19 AM Response to Reply #44 |
49. Obama's already picking and choosing. He's not prosecuting for torture |
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vaberella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 01:59 AM Response to Reply #36 |
53. Uh..the Muslim terrorists weren't terrorists and were found not guilty. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 06:30 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. No shit. And if they're not guilty, let them on U.S. soil, it's not sacred. |
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clarence swinney (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
54. dadt what is better? |
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