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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:49 PM
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John Edwards's Commitment Problems
Edited on Wed Jun-17-09 10:52 PM by masuki bance
This is for some of the people who were trying to defend John's actions earlier-
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8477877&mesg_id=8477877

They like to say that "...forget the infidelity, he really just wants to help people!"


The Washington Post's Alec MacGillis gets on the phone with John Edwards, who says:

"The two things I'm on the planet for now are to take care of the people I love and to take care of people who cannot take care of themselves."

I'm in no position to assess how he's doing on the first score, but he's failing on the second--at least judging from the rest of MacGillis's article:

One week before confirming the affair, he pulled the plug on College for Everyone, a program he started in 2005 at Greene Central High School in Snow Hill, N.C., which paid the first-year college tuition of any graduate who stayed out of trouble and worked 10 hours per week, at a total cost of about $300,000 per year. Edwards touted the program often on the campaign trail, calling it the first step toward a nationwide financial aid initiative.

...

Edwards said he had to pull the plug because campaign supporters were less likely to give money to the program once he was out of the race. "But it served its purpose," he said. "A lot of kids benefited."

Meanwhile, in New Orleans, residents who had been foreclosed on after Hurricane Katrina by subprime lenders owned by Fortress Investment Group, a hedge fund that Edwards worked for and invested with, have not received the special assistance that Edwards promised after their troubles were reported by The Washington Post and Wall Street Journal in 2007.

Edwards, who launched his campaign in a Katrina-stricken section of New Orleans, had vowed in 2007 that he would raise $100,000 to set up a fund that, administered by the anti-poverty group Acorn, would see to it that the 32 affected homeowners would be made whole.


Among the homeowners were Ernest and Ollie Grant, whose storm-damaged house faced foreclosure by Fortress-owned Nationstar Mortgage, on an adjustable rate loan that shot to $1,200 per month. The Grants say that after months of waiting for Acorn to call them, they reached out on their own and found a helpful employee, "Miss Kristi," who got their monthly payment down to $649.

But six months ago, Nationstar started sending letters saying the payment was going back up above $900. The Grants called Acorn back, but Miss Kristi was gone, and others there provided no help. With their home finally fixed up, they are again worried about losing it. They bristle at Edwards' name.

I just thought he was trying to cover his tracks while he was a candidate. I even told my wife that if he didn't win, we would feel these repercussions just like we're doing," said Ernest Grant. "It was probably all for show in the end."

Another resident, Eva Comadore, says she never heard from anyone after the day when a TV news crew came to ask her about the promise. Comadore had lost her home to foreclosure by GreenTree Servicing, another Fortress company, in May 2007. Since then, she has been paying $400 a month, two-thirds of her Social Security, to rent a trailer owned by her sister.

"All I know is they were supposed to make some kind of agreement to settle with us but they never did," she said.

Acorn spokesman Scott Levenson said the group had trouble finding the 32 homeowners. He said the group received $50,000, not $100,000, and that it went to the group's general mortgage counseling program in New Orleans.

Edwards said the $50,000 came from him. "I wanted to make a good faith effort " he said. "Obviously, a problem this deep and widespread would not be solved by an individual presidential candidate."

...

"It was real, 100 percent real," he said. "I want them to be proud of what I stood for, and of what the campaign stood for. The stands were honest and sincere and idealistic. They were what America needed then and needs now."

Yeah, tell it to the people in Greene County and New Orleans.

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2009/06/17/john-edwards-s-commitment-problems.aspx





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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:53 PM
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1. One of the people I have been the most disappointed in in my
many years on this earth. My problem, not his.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:55 PM
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2. So what do you think of Norm Coleman?
He seems to be a bigger womanizer than John Edwards ever was, yet I don't see any big essays and pictures about him? John Edwards is not holding up the seating of a Senator in Minnesota. Maybe you should use your talents to be oh..."fair and balanced".
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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:56 PM
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3. I didn't see anyone defending Coleman in GDP today. nt
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:57 PM
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4. And why not?
Explain.
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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:59 PM
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5. Maybe I didn't read every post. Who knows?
Do you think I may have missed it?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:03 PM
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6. You are dodging the question.
If you want to trash a Democrat, who made a big mistake, maybe you should be equally willing to compare him to a Republican who is much worse and who has made several mistakes that the press isn't so willing to air. Of course there are other message boards who would be more friendly to your trash no matter how prettily it's wrapped.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:04 PM
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7. JE was no friend to Democrats
when he chose to run knowing that he had this skeleton in his closet.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:09 PM
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8. You know this skeleton isn't a big deal when you are a Republican.
Too bad for any Democrat.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:17 PM
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10. I'm not a Republican. nt
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:28 PM
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13. I didn't say you were. I want to know why Republican scandals aren't so
vilified like Democratic ones. It's time to bring a little justice to this. If one is an asshole then the other one should also be an asshole and equally flogged.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:31 PM
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15. You were talking about JE,
so I answered about JE.

I can't believe you don't think Republicans don't get called out for this stuff on DU. I see it all the time.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:33 PM
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16. No I wasn't. I was asking why Norm Coleman isn't being called out for
his womanizing like John Edwards and why the OP couldn't put up the same essays and pictures regarding Norm Coleman. Really, read my first post.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:59 PM
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21. Well, why don't you do it, if it is so important to you?
Frankly, I find this sort of demand that every negative observation about a Democrat be balanced by a negative observation about a Republican to be just tiresome. It is possible to have an discussion about one person or issue without needing to prove in every single thread that the other side can be just as bad.

It reminds me of those who cannot read about a human rights violation or example of religious fanaticism in another country without a knee-jerk demand for an example in which Americans behaved as badly or worse. As though all of us were so incredibly simple-minded that exposure to this particular case alone risks perverting our entire worldview and brainwashing us beyond retrieval.

Sorry, it just strikes me as defensive and silly.

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:12 AM
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23. Considering that every negative observation about a Democrat gets blown
into super observation and every negative observation about a Republican is hardly mentioned, I wonder why? Also, aren't you going to ask me about Coleman? Aren't you curious about his peccadilloes? It seems you already know, although there has been practically no mention of it in the national MSM. I don't mind being defensive or even silly if that were the case but if so why do you care?

I also wonder why you are defending Republicans on the Democratic Underground?
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:40 AM
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27. Oh, please. Hardly mentioned?
Have you seen all the threads about Ensign lately?

If you post about Coleman, I promise you I will gladly read it, and I'm sure many other people will, too. For the record, however, I would probably be MORE interested in it as its own post, than as a clearly defensive response to my audacity in believing that JE shouldn't get a pass.

You sound very anxious that I may be a secret Republican. You can relax....Honest! :fistbump:
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 09:01 AM
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48. Already in my local paper - in a Republican leaning area, there are major negative Ensign stories
In fact, today's includes information that the woman's salary from a campaign related job doubled during that time period. In addition, it looks like her husband - on Ensign's Senate staff may have benefited when he quit.
http://search.dailyrecord.com/sp?eId=100&gcId=29516743&rNum=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailyrecord.com%2Fapps%2Fpbcs.dll%2Farticle%3FAID%3D200990616050&siteIdType=2

This is interesting because this is exactly what Edwards was said to being investigated for. In his case, it would seem this could lead to criminal charges or - if those can't be proved - it is likely an ethics violation that the Senate should investigate.

Note that not one Republican has sprung to his defense and he is out of the leadership. (Edwards had no position to lose in 2008)
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:13 PM
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9. He's a Republican, though. Who expects anything from them except
more perks for the rich and more shit for the poor?

It is germane, and salient, what Edwards did, and how he behaved. Not the least because his wife is a lovely woman who has posted here on DU in the past. I feel sad for her, because he was such a skunk and betrayer. I also toyed briefly (very briefly, admittedly) with the idea of voting for him in the early days. I eventually concluded that something wasn't quite "there" and I settled my allegiances elsewhere.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 04:18 AM
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34. The OP is about what JE is doing, or not doing, for the poor
when no one is looking and when he is no longer running for president.

What the flying fuck on a stick does Norm Coleman have to do with THAT.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 08:53 AM
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47. I doubt anyone here ever believed and trusted Norm Coleman
You can't feel disappointment in Coleman's actions - disgust, anger, etc are what can be felt.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:18 PM
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11. During his affair he stood on platforms and preached
against gay marriage on the basis that his traditional Baptist values were so much a part of him, that he could not help but think of marriage as a Sanctified Union for just one man and one woman. His wife stood there nodding along with him as a willing prop to help sell that hypocritical use of gay people as a smokescreen for his own activities. Holy Pants Edwards. "My Daddy, the Baptist church, I can not cross that bridge..."
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:24 PM
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12. I still want to know why Norm Coleman,who is holding up Al Franken
being seated in Congress, is better than John Edwards? We don't know about any love child there, but .....we don't know. Could there have been abortions paid for?
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:28 AM
Response to Reply #12
24. So Republicans are the standards we're using for ethical behaviour now?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 01:50 AM
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 09:08 AM
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50. No one really does - it is a discussion about a man
who is not in any office and is not running for one. He likely will never run for a high profile position again. From all accounts, he could not win a state wide election in NC. Even in 2008, he couldn't get enough support or money to run for President. Even without the affair, he would have no chance in 2016 - he only won ONE primary in 2 election cycles.
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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 01:23 PM
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67. My, you're a special one aren't you?
Your argument is flawed. One doesn't have to be American to see this.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #12
28. Why are people going to talk about Norm Coleman on a JE thread?
I mean... I don't see the need.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 01:51 AM
Response to Reply #28
32. The thread is about sexual misbehavior. Shouldn't it apply to both
parties?
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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 03:03 AM
Response to Reply #32
33. It's really not. I think if you actually read the OP it would be clear
what it's about.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 04:24 AM
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35. uh, no. this thread is about JE and his poverty programs and what a slimy hypocrite
the little fucker is.
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 07:16 AM
Response to Reply #35
40. He's so phony he can't help himself from helping others unless its to help himself...
But remember...hope is on the way!:rofl:

P.S. I don't even want to speculate on what an Edwards Vice Presidency would have looked like.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 09:15 AM
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51. Fortunately, the VP 's only responsibilty is to break ties
John Kerry would have been the President and he would have final say over anything else JRE did. A part of me wishes Kerry would have followed his gut feeling and refused to take Edwards, who was apparently pushed by both the media and all the powers in the Democratic party - who said that JRE offered the best chance to win. It would have risked a slew of negative press when anyone else was picked.

(Also, it is very likely there would have been no affair had he won. He would not have been out campaigning. )
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 09:03 AM
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49. Please link to any post saying that the scummy Coleman is better.
This is a pathetic strawman. The op was about JRE and just JRE.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:00 AM
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54. No one here, NO ONE, has suggested that Coleman is "better" than Edwards.
To say that what Edwards did is bad is not the same as saying that it is worse than what Coleman is doing. That is a total non sequitur.

I was a very strong Edwards supporter in the primary. I only switched to Obama after Edwards dropped out, and even then I was hoping that Edwards would be named Attorney General and was upset that Obama was not even consdiering Edwards for a place in his cabinet. (Obviously I am glad now that Obama didn't make that mistake. Probably he was already hearing rumors, since it seems the affair was long suspected.)

Those of us who really believed in Edwards' commitment to alleviating the plight of ordinary people felt particularly upset when all this came out, because if we had succeeded in getting him the nomination, this affair would have been exposed during the general election and McCain and (OMG!!!) PALIN would be the POTUS and VPOTUS today. For some reason you don't seem to think that's a big deal, but most of us do.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #11
68. "Holy Pants Edwards"
:rofl:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:28 PM
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14. First time I've seen the baby in a clear photograph.
Edited on Wed Jun-17-09 11:29 PM by FrenchieCat
Looks like it could be his as there seems to be a possible likeness.....or many it's just me.

I never supported him. I always thought what I was seeing wasn't what it really was. Guess my BS meter was set pretty high!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:35 PM
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17. Or it could be a regional thing. Babies from that demographic could look a
lot alike. One of my teenage boyfriends was from W. Virginia and he looked a lot like Edwards except today he would be 69.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:36 PM
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18. here is a pic of that baby a little older
this should leave no questions about who the father is

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #18
19. Yee gawd!
Either Edwards has a baby face, and therefore looks like a lot of babies, or else, this baby is his.

I thought there was a test coming?
Would be nice to know.....simply for the Baby's sake,
even if it may be none of our business.

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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #19
22. Oh boy...
Edited on Thu Jun-18-09 12:11 AM by jaysunb
This is one of those, " who you gonna believe ? me or your lying eyes" moments :evilfrown:

What a sad, awful mess....
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:39 AM
Response to Reply #22
26. I think the chin tells a story!
Yes....This is quite sad.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 08:45 AM
Response to Reply #26
46. The poor kids.
They're the real victims in this hot mess.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #19
69. Not for nothing, but we all know JRE was at fault here..
but what does this say about a woman who knew the man was married still decides to have an affair with him?

Yes, the child is an innocent victim, but her mother didn't have to get involved with him.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 08:42 AM
Response to Reply #18
44. Wow, the little girl does look like Edwards.
Why continue to lie about it? Everyone knows he had an affair, might as well give a full confession and admit that she's his child.

:-(
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 09:26 AM
Response to Reply #44
52. I think in August 2008, he thought he could get away with lying
The problem with admitting it now are:

- Last August, he said the affair ended in 2006 and he and Elizabeth dealt with it. He also said ( because he thought it made him look less slimy) that the affair was when EE was in remission. This extends the affair PAST the time she got the stage 4 diagnosis. The baby was conceived after they "bravely" continued their campaign with EE having incurable cancer. (Note this also plays havoc with EE's story.)

- Having lied then and since, if he now admitted it, he is guilty of denying his daughter repeatedly. Imagine what this daughter will find through whatever the future google is.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:08 AM
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56. That remains to be seen!
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:44 PM
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20. Smells like a comeback.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:29 AM
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25. I think that you're correct.
Edwards Won’t Rule Out Return to Politics

June 17, 2009 2:58 PM

ABC News’ Rick Klein reports: Former Sen. John Edwards sat down with The Washington Post for his first extended print interview since admitting publicly to an extra-marital affair -- and he says he’s not ruling out a return to politics.

“Right now, a lot of that is unanswerable,” Edwards, D-N.C., told the Post’s Alec MacGillis. “Sometimes

According to MacGillis, Edwards envisions an Al Gore-style advocacy role for himself on issues of poverty, if he decides to return to public life in a major way.

"What happens now? If you were to ask people during the campaign who's talking most about , it was me," he said in the interview. "There's a desperate need in the world for a voice of leadership on this issue... The president's got a lot to do, he's got a lot of people to be responsible for, so I'm not critical of him, but there does need to be an aggressive voice beside the president."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/06/edwards-wont-rule-out-return-to-politics.html
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:44 AM
Response to Reply #25
29. Yeah... an unsuccesful comeback right from the get go.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:45 AM
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30. Well, if the mayor of D.C. can be convicted of using illicit drugs, do time in a federal prison,
and still be elected to the same post again a few years later, anything is possible.

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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 08:44 AM
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45. Ugghhh, Barry.............
Who needs another corrupt weasel in office? We already got plenty of them.

x(
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 05:09 AM
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36. Oh goodie. Let's have a trial.
What shall we accuse him of?

Cheating on Elizabeth? .... However they appear to have reached an agreement about their marriage which we are not privy to. Didn't anyone tell them that we need to know any and all details about their private lives?

Speaking out against Obama's policies, even the ones which were clearly bad mistakes? .... But he hasn't done anything remotely like that.

Announcing that he has become an independent and will now be soothing republican feelings by voting with them and publicly backing republican candidates? .... What do you mean he doesn't done that either?

Moving on with his own life without asking DU for permission first? .... How dare he.:sarcasm:

Ever wonder why Elizabeth doesn't post on DU any more? Look in the nearest mirror and think about some of the vicious things that were said about her on DU (cancer notwithstanding) when John refused to drop out of the race so that Obama could proceed without any competition.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 05:15 AM
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37. How about we accuse him of not really caring about the poor
And not fully standing up for his own stated beliefs when he's not running for president.

How about that one. Is THAT one our business? At least if he ever thinks about running for office again?

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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 05:17 AM
Response to Reply #37
38. Obama's president and you're still not satisfied.
Guess what. It is NOT Edwards' fault you're angry at Obama.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 06:56 PM
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71. non sequitur, party of one...
Hrrr?

I'm a Kerry gal, meself. Don't have too many feeling yet one way or the other about Obama's reign. Too early.

Edwards has bugged me since he threw Kerry under the bus. The dude's smarmy. Which is disappointing because I thought he was a good guy. Not so much.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 09:37 AM
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53. Elizabeth stopped posting on DU long before 2008 - I think the last time was in 2005
No one is convicting JRE of anything.

Many of us do not see him successfully running at a level that would merit national coverage. Consider this. Do you think he has a shot at his old Senate seat? Burr is up in 2010. If Edwards wanted to be a national elected official, that is the office that is open. He is never mentioned - and I doubt he would have a prayer of winning the nomination.

As to being a voice - he doesn't seem to get that the reason he got coverage was that he was a Presidential candidate. He has no office or role that makes him a spokesman. Maybe he should try to get a show on MSNBC - as Huckabee has one on FOX.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 07:24 PM
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72. Situational morality.
Definition of morally pure enough to pass the "eligible to run for president" test: Your wife will either keep her silence and remain married with all attendant benefits of marriage to a congressman or she will demand a large divorce settlement in return for her silence upon finding out what you've been up to. Your friends, mistresses, etc. must be complicit and remain silent about the affair with or without monetary compensation. Either you must find a way to keep it secret from your enemies or you have to live with blackmail and all it's implications during your political career.

Really does anyone believe most of the politicians in D.C. have been faithful? I find it exceedingly bizarre that Newt, a republican, is choosing to run with his history and yet, here on DU, democrats are still trying to beat John Edwards to death over his affair.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 01:11 PM
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64. I believe Elizabeth left
When DUers were jumping for joy when Laura Ingraham announced she had breast cancer.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 07:07 AM
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39. It should have been clear in 03 and 07 that he cared about these programs only when it could help
him. One reason I never could support him, even when he was on the ticket.

The rest is his personal life, and I do not care.

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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 08:06 AM
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41. Instead of complaining about Edwards, why don't you donate the $300,000 per year
to keep that scholarship program running? It is a good cause.

:shrug:

Should Edwards just fix everyone's financial problems himself?
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:15 AM
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57. Best post all day
Nevermind that the topic at hand is the cautionary tale of John Edwards making promises that he didn't follow thru on. You remind me of a poster on Usenet 8 1/2 years ago who got pissed at me for criticizing George Bush's qualifications and told me "If you're so smart, how come you're not running for president? What state are you the governor of?"

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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:11 PM
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59. You mean a politician didn't follow thru on a promise? Oh noes!
:cry: Now I'll be all cynical and jaded. How did that happen?

Too many people get caught up in politician's cult of personality and don't see the person as the self-interested individuals they really are. To view any major politician as some kind of selfless superhero is naive to the extreme. Kicking Edwards while he's down just smacks of piling on.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:54 PM
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62. There's a HUGE gap between self interested JRE and a "selfless superhero"
I seriously doubt that you could be "selfless" and win a high public office. The problem is that the public would never believe you were selfless and would assume you had inflated your resume as others do.

But, I think there are many who are really public servants, who really are working very very hard for things they believe in - when the alternative is that they could have a much easier life using their same skills and connections in the world outside of politics.
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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:17 AM
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58. That scholarship is shut down. It was a gimmick to help him look good. nt
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 08:18 AM
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42. WTF?
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Diamonique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 08:18 AM
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43. Thanks for the OP. It's been an eye-opener for me. nt
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:55 AM
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55. Yaaawn
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:13 PM
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60. John Edwards just needs to go away. There, I said it.
I supported him and gave him money.

And defended him up until recently. I think the more that comes out, the worse it looks.

He just needs to disappear and live the rest of his life dedicated to his family. His family needs him more than we need him.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:51 PM
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61. So what do you think about Adolf Hitler?
He was way worse than John Edwards and I don't see you posting an article about him.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 01:08 PM
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63. Yeah but at least he didn't
cheat on his dying wife. Hitler had some standards.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 01:12 PM
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65. lol
:hi:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 01:22 PM
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66. Hey you
:hi:

Long time no see. :)
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 04:26 PM
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70. I'm around just not always posting.
:)
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