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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:29 PM
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You know, I will always vote for Edwards over any Republican
and, really, none of them can lecture him about "family values." Even if Elizabeth will choose to divorce him, he will be in a "good" company of Reagan, Dole, Phil Gramm, McCain, Gingrich and many more (I really do not keep tab on all of them).

He is the only Presidential candidate that I can think of, in decades, who used the term "poverty." I don't think that even Kucinich or Nader did (but I may be wrong).

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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:31 PM
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1. Edwards Disappeared
more quickly and thoroughly than almost any other candidate or offical caught in an affair. I initially supported JE in 08, and still like a lot of his positions.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:35 PM
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2. I supported Edwards in '08 for his positions and still support his positions
I frankly couldn't care less about a person's personal life until they try to run mine. Then, theirs better be clean. Mr. Ensign.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:44 PM
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5. Except that it went beyond his personal life
because it happened while he ran for office. Had he won the nomination and then the affair were discovered, we would have now - shudder - President McCain.

Anyone who runs for office first has to clear his affairs - financial as well as personal - and then let the voters decide. We, Americans, are pretty much a forgiving bunch, as long the person is contrite. I don't know, perhaps it makes us feel superior.

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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:50 PM
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7. I agree, an Edwards nomination could have handed the Republicans a win.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 01:19 PM
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8. That is True,
but it's pretty much true of anyone in public office or public life. Bill Clinton crippled his second term and probably handed the presidency to Bush. Kennedy dodged numerous bullets -- if his cover had been blown, he might have had to resign. Even Martin Luther King Jr. endangered his movement by having affairs.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 03:41 PM
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12. He was a long-shot at best - but in the meantime...
he changed the debate - Both Barack and Hillary started to echo his positions
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:39 PM
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3. What he did wasn't right, but it was in his personal life and no different
than what Newt Gingrich did when his former wife had cancer, yet Newtie thinks he can run for President and no one is flinging the feces at him that is being flung to John Edwards. Edwards could still be a competent legislator, if given a chance, and I truly believe if he had been made Atty. Gen., he would have gone after Bush/Cheney/Rove for war crimes.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 01:47 PM
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10. Newt will be hurt by that history if he ever runs again for anything
You say "Edwards could still be a competent legislator, if given a chance". The problem is that from many accounts there are too many people in his state who do not agree that he was a very good Senator. Do you think he could be elected - Burr's seat is up in 2010.

You say that he would have gone after Bush/Cheney and Rove for war crimes - but this is just conjecture.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 03:38 PM
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11. We never will know will we. n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 05:14 PM
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16. It depends what you are referring to
Edited on Thu Jun-18-09 05:16 PM by karynnj
If it is whether he could win the Senate seat, if any interest is shown, it will be polled. If you mean what he would do as AG, give me one - just one - risky, potentially extremely unpopular or dangerous thing he has ever done in his whole life. Frankly, I doubt it. Not to mention, I doubt that even with no scandal he would even be on the short list. Look at Holder's experience - Edwards has no experience in the Justice Department, as a prosecutor, as a manager of a large staff or even running Senate investigations.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 03:58 PM
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14. First, Newt ran for Congress - to be one of 435 - not for President
even though this was going to be the final goal. Supposedly he wanted to divorce his cancer stricken wife because she was too old and not attractive enough to be a First Lady.

Second, when he did this we did not have the Internet, blogs, YouTube, where whatever one does or says gets magnified and spread around.

If Edwards were Att. Gen. - do you think it is Holder or Obama that is calling the shots on them?

And I doubt that Newt will ever have a successful run. There will be enough Republicans who will remind the world of his hypocrisy going after Clinton while having his own affair. I think that of all the Republican candidates - Romney and Huckabee were the only one still married to the same woman.

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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:40 PM
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4. I'm just thankful that I will never be faced
with such a horrible set of choices again.

His political career is as dead as a door nail, and I couldn't be happier.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:46 PM
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6. John and Elizabeth need to enter private life with the quickness....
.... perhaps they can have a reality show when Jon and Kate plus 8 finally ends.

Talk about another huge train wreck.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 01:42 PM
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9. Voting foir any Democrat over the Republican is a very low bar,
I was going to vote for Torrecelli - rather than the Conservative Republican against him - but was immensely happy when Lautenberg replaced him - giving Democrats in NJ a better opportunity.

The fact is that I would bet that EVERY SINGLE Democrat, who has ever run for President has mentioned "poverty". A single google - with a name (the year he/she ran) and the word "poverty" would find it. The fact is that Mario Coumo's speech was every bit as good - or better - than Edwards' - though he didn't run for President.

Just for run - here's the first link for Kerry:
"When I am president, the first thing we're gonna do is start to raise that minimum wage to $7/ hr , and allow people in America to work and get out of poverty for the work that they do....But it's not limited to minimum wage, you've gotta start talking about a living wage which so many mayors are talking about.(22)
where 22 is Kerry's speech to the Rainbow/PUSH coalition, June 29, 2004.

Here's the site - including things Kerry did in his career on this - which completely beat what Edwards did. http://www.foodfirst.org/en/node/199

Here's the first link for Obama:

He said that if elected president, he would aim to create 20 "Promise Neighborhoods," choosing places that have high levels of poverty and crime and low levels of academic achievement. In those neighborhoods, "a full network of services" will be provided "from birth to college."

http://pewforum.org/religion08/compare.php?Issue=Poverty

Neither of these are the best examples for these people - this is an attempt to show that with 2 minutes of work your statement can be disproved.


Here's
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 03:52 PM
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13. Right, but I think that Edwards really mean it
After all, he was the only one to work with the people of New Orleans. And he made it his business to travel the country, and the world - I think that he was the only one to talk about Darfur - to get a first person impression.

I do remember Mario Cuomo's speech in 1980. I don't think that anyone has ever surpassed him or ever will.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 05:37 PM
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18. He was not the only one to speak of Darfur
Obama spoke of Darfur and Sudan and he assigned a special envoy for that country. Feingold and Kerry spoke of Darfur often - and Feingold was the chair of the Africa sub-committee of the SFRC. Even Republicans - notably Brownback spoke of Darfur. John and Teresa Kerry recently went there and got aid resumed to the level before some aid organizations were thrown out and an agreement for tri-party talks. Both Kerry and Feingold - and Biden - all have done real work to help Africa. John Edwards and Rielle Hunter and other staff visited Africa.

As to New Orleans, he had a PHOTO-OP starting his campaign there. His hedge fund foreclosed on people in New Orleans. Many politicians worked on actually helping New Orleans. Three I know who did more than Edwards are Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, and John Kerry.

Al Gore went into New Orleans himself while it was still in chaos and flew 270 hospital patients out - using his private jet. Jimmy Carter spent a huge amount of time in New Orleans building houses. Kerry and his staff put together a major bill that helped small businesses (which provide jobs) restart. The bill was first Kerry, then Kerry/Snowe when they combined their efforts - then Snowe/Kerry. On the floor of the Senate as it was voted on - Kerry took his name off the bill. Why? He was told that otherwise a large block of Republicans would vote against it. It then passed with over 80 votes. John and Teresa Kerry also privately sent a few plane loads of needed supplies to Mississippi where Trent Lott helped distribute stuff to people. This was done quietly - and is only known because Trent Lott emotionally spoke of Katrina on the Senate floor and thanked Kerry for what he did (detailing it)

I bet Bill Clinton and GHWB did more through the money they raised.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 06:15 PM
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21. JE never did a thing that didn't benefit JE. And he certainly wasn't
the only one talking about Darfur. JE is the worst phony I can think of. Little Johny Hedgefund ripped of Hurrican Katrina victims.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 03:59 PM
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15. I don't think you'll having worry about betting the chance.
He'd have to get a ballot first, and good luck with that.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 05:20 PM
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17. I'd vote for zombie Reagan before I would ever vote for JE.
People in NC have know he was fake for a looooong time. He talks a big game about the poor but he has never really followed threw with any action.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 05:48 PM
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19. I'd leave it blank
if I was ever faced with a choice like that. x(
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 06:09 PM
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20. I would easily have voted for Jim Jeffords over sleazebag Johny
or Lincoln Chafee. At least those guys (when they were repukes) voted against the IWR.
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