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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 07:52 PM
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Second of two video Segments of me on Fox News' Cashin' In, regarding changes to Calif unempl law
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 08:28 PM
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1. Why is it "immoral" to pay people to stay home and take care of their kids?
Edited on Sat Jun-20-09 08:33 PM by Number23
Is "immoral" the word that @sshole meant to use?

Edit: They are openly laughing at the people in California who are unable to find work and the politicians who want to do this as a way to reduce the state's budget deficit. Openly.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 08:48 PM
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2. Yes, it is. That is what the Republican AND Libertarian Right believe about these programs
If people get laid off or for whatever reason cant find a job, they have zero sympathy or compassion for them. All they see is a chance for someone to get hooked on the dole, and the only way in their eyes to prevent that is to have zero safety nets. If you follow that tortured line of reasoning, it is immoral to offer unemployment or welfare.

I didnt bother to followup on JB's line regarding starting a business after putting up the obvious objection because anyone who actually knows anything about starting a business and/or would be in the position to fund one would think that in 99% of cases that a deep recession is a horrible time to start a business. Of course, if you are a celebrity like him, and have deep pockets and choose exactly the right business to start, that changes your chances of success. That isnt exactly so for your average person who suddenly finds themselves unemployed.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 09:02 PM
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3. I don't blame you. When he threw that "start your own business" crap it was obvious
he was just saying the first thing that came to his stupid little mind.

For someone to start a business, first they must figure out what it is they want to produce. Then develop a business and marketing plan then, in many cases, get some type of financing to turn the plan into reality.

Even if you had magical elves at your disposal, it could take YEARS to start a business and could take considerably longer before it becomes successful. So it's obvious that this man's throwaway statement of "start your own business" was him talking out of his ass with no thought for the downtrodden masses he so obviously couldn't give a crap about.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 09:14 PM
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4. In general, coming up with good arguments extemporaneously is hard and the chances of
saying something like this, or what Stuart Varney said to me a few weeks ago regarding the Tea Parties "We just found out about the deficit four weeks ago" are high if you are too aggressive about trying to respond with the first thing that comes to mind.

I never forget what I am trying to accomplish. I'm speaking directly to the ideal audience, the people who most disagree with me and by extension pretty much all of us here on DU. If I get in a few key points per segment that are backed up by facts and hard to refute, I've given the people who watch Fox something to think about. Obviously, I wont change that many minds, and no one could but if I make those points without coming off as an asshole, I have a good chance to change some minds.

What you said about starting a business is exactly right, and most of the folks watching these business geared Fox shows on the weekend will get that in a New York minute. I'd like to be a fly on the wall when he discusses the segment with friends and they taunt him about that piece.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 10:15 PM
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6. Well for what it's worth, I think you're doing a good job of getting your points across
around the incessant jabbering of some of the most idiotic people in the world.

I could not even begin to do what you do. I have far too little patience for stupidity and stupid people.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 11:05 PM
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8. Thanks man! And the best part is that I enjoy doing it...
I really feel like I am doing something to fight the good fight and having an impact of sorts. That is the reason I started writing political opeds five years ago. I still haven't received a dime for doing any of it, and if that is how it ends, that is fine!
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 09:19 PM
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5. How can you possibly stand talking to Jonathon Hoenig? I would scream my throat
out at him.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 10:57 PM
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7. I do it by, as I said earlier in the thread, never losing sight of my mission there...
... which is to get in the points I need to make about whatever is being discussed. Now there are folks, including the person who showed up on the thread of my other video from today ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8486360 ), who say if a Democrat goes on Fox, they should tout the entire progressive line of issues, insult everyone, insult Fox News, and anything else is failure and that person shouldnt be on Fox.

If you do that, you lose. Now you have taken the chance of influencing a given person who is watching from a few percent, to zero. Plus, that is your last appearance on Fox. Now you have lost any further opportunities to go after that audience. It might make some of us happy to see that every once in a while, but what does it accomplish really? After several comments to that effect and multiple pms where that person insisted I not go on Fox again, the person I mentioned above became my only person in a long time on 'ignore'

My mission is to keep my cool, stay personable, but also be aggressive enough to not be shouted over and get my points in. If I let opponents get me off of that plan, then that appearance is a failure from my perspective and I dont want to fail! ;-)
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-21-09 11:10 PM
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9. That's not true Steve
Edited on Sun Jun-21-09 11:14 PM by Better Believe It
"Now there are folks, including the person who showed up on the thread of my other video from today ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... ), who say if a Democrat goes on Fox, they should tout the entire progressive line of issues, insult everyone, insult Fox News, and anything else is failure and that person shouldnt be on Fox."

Such a post never appeared in that thread.

Are you just making that all up or did you actually read a post that said that?

Now I personally think you should avoid any further appearances on FoxNews for the good of the progressive/liberal movement.

Why do you think FoxNews keeps inviting you back?



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