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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:25 AM
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Don't the Blue Dogs realize that if they undermine Obama they will have no coattails next time?
Exactly how stupid are they really?
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:26 AM
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1. As much as Obama realizes without Blue Dogs we Dems would not control the House. n/t
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:29 AM
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2. For which we see Obama COMPROMISING with the blue dog bastards,
but we DON'T see the blue dog bastards compromising with Obama.

So WHICH is the more FUCKING STUPID?
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:29 AM
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3. Since they don't vote Dem ANYWAY we still don't have control.
What is even probably worse is that we have the illusion of control.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:42 AM
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6. Last I heard Nancy Pelosi (D - CA) was still Speaker of the House and we Dems controlled committees.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 12:55 PM
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10. What good is this so-called "control" if you can't use it for anything?
If you can't use your so-called "control" to pass important legislation, then you really don't control much of anything do you?
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 03:05 PM
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14. "important legislation" passed without some support of opposition runs the risk of being repealed
when the opposition regains power.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:03 PM
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17. I assume you're using "control" euphemistically.
Kinda like we "control" the Senate?


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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:05 PM
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20. As a minimum, I use control to mean who controls what bills come before each committee and the House
for a vote.

Whether a party has the votes to pass a bill of course depends upon other things including how each congress-person's constituents fell about a particular bill.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 08:58 PM
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24. Thank you for the explanation, jody. You are certainly correct about the committees and
House votes, but the part about whether a vote passes is debatable. From what we are seeing now in our party, it is ever more apparent that constituents have a weaker voice in legislation than the heavy contributors who pay big bucks for access and support of their concerns.

So, what I'm saying is that the control exerted by the Democratic party is subservient to the demands of the party's financial benefactors.

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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 09:01 PM
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25. Agree, IMO corporatist get their bills passed regardless of the party in power. n/t
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:13 PM
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27. So true.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:29 AM
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4. I don't understand these people. Yeah they live in so called "red districts". But
couldn't they, oh I don't know actually explain to their constituents why these supposed liberal policies are actually good for them? I take it these people have town hall meetings with voters. Is it so hard to do what Obama does and talk to them like grown ups and show them how these stupid ass right wing policies have hurt this country?

I sure as hell don't understand why these right wing or center right politicins seem to have very little confidence in the policies that have helped this nation time and time again.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:31 AM
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5. The typical Blue Dog...
...is elected by ticket-splitters. They voted McCain for President, and for their local D representative.

Coat-tails aren't what put them in, and they're not what keeps them there.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:43 AM
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7. You and I share the same opinion all astute political analysts hold. n/t
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 12:40 PM
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9. Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back n/t
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 02:48 PM
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12. Just stating the facts. n/t
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:48 PM
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15. Some people's egos exceed their sense of propriety.
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 04:48 PM by Zodiak
Just stating the facts.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:58 PM
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19. Agree with that but sometimes arrogance combined with ignorance can be fatal. n/t
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:05 PM
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21. Then how on Earth are you still alive?
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 07:06 PM by Zhade
NT!

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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:11 PM
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22. Because I'm neither, are you? n/t
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 05:44 PM
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16. Just because a district voted for McCain doesn't mean there is no coattail effect
It is much easier for a Democrat to win in an R+5 district than an R+20 district. While many blue dogs come from Red districts, many of those districts were substantially less red in 2008 than they were in 2004. If Obama is successful then they will continue to be substantially less red or may even become even more less red.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:16 PM
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23. Good point, but Obama can also have campaign money yoinked.
If Obama wanted to, he could tell the Blue Dogs "Vote my way or your DCCC or DSCC money will go to someone else!

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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 09:03 PM
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26. Do you have stats showing how much DCCC or DSCC money went to Blue Dogs? n/t
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 12:23 PM
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8. Lets not pretend Obama is the great progressive standard bearer
Thats just not the case. Obama didn't just invite the blue dogs to the table, but also the Republicans and Health Insurers
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DatManFromNawlins Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 01:21 PM
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11. Not as stupid as DUers who think they should jump when Obama says so
There is no way, for example, for Charlie Melancon to reconcile with his district if he went along with Obama's climate change bill. None. He votes for it, his ass is grass. The bulk of the industry in his district either currently produces electricity, petrochemical, or chemical products. There is no way for him to vote for that bill and then come back here and explain to everyone why he did it without getting the boot in the next election. It doesn't matter how good his intentions are, the fact of the matter is that the people he represents do not want it.

Here's a hint: if representatives vote with their national party, then they are representing the interests of the party and NOT the people who elected them to office.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 02:57 PM
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13. Exactly, it's "constituents & re-election" versus "party & de-election". n/t
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:10 PM
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18. Coattails, shmoattails, they'll all be millionare lobbyists with congressional floor priveleges.
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