GOP Activist may be behind CBS National Guard memos

Missed this in the NY Post (hardly a liberal rag)

http://www.nypost.com/commentary/30555.htm

Stone got the memos from Rove, who concocted the scheme, then fed them to that asswipe who handed them to CBS, lying about where he got them. This smells just like Nixon's "dirty tricks" which Stone was involved in up to his smelly gills.

and worked closely with that young sleazeball attorney who headed up the "dirty tricks" campaign in 1972.

The hot rumor in New York political circles has Roger Stone, the longtime GOP activist, as the source for Dan Rather's dubious Texas Air National Guard "memos."

The irony would be delicious, since Rather became famous confronting President Nixon, in whose service a very young Stone became associated with political "dirty tricks."

Reached at his Florida home, Stone had no comment.

Maybe this is why the Republicans are in such a hurry to drop the story.

Pat Buchanan was on Hardball tonight gnashing his teeth and demanding that "we get to the bottom of this!" Buchanan is no friend to the Bushes. They don't want anyone to get to the bottom of the TANG story.

Pop the popcorn. Buchanan is no friend to the Democrats, but he's no friend to the Bushes either. Where will it all end?

not who we are. why they think we are wussy, cause we arent sorrupt dishonest immoral lacking integrity all around pigs

I was thinking Buchanan was having a bipolar moment when he said that originally. Tied in with this new revelation, I think you've nailed Buchanan's intent. I love it!

If he could manage both with one issue it would be even better from his point of view. If he can discredit Kerry simultaneously, he'll have "the trifecta!"

I think the biggest challenge facing the neocons right now is how to get the Bushes out of power while simultaneously hurting the Democrats.

Knowing Roger Stone is vile only means he is capable of this. We have to figure out how to link him to the documents and ideally to Buckhead.

Anyone starting to notice a connection here?

I'm not sure they're able to even grasp the potential magnitude of this CBS fiasco beyond the surface. We see a Repug link, yet they see only "Bush good, CBS bad." That's about as far as the depth of their thinking goes which sometimes keeps me up at night.

What if other documents are found, that aren't forgeries? The stage is set for public opinion to view authentic documents (that are dangerous to Bush) as suspicious.

from the article:

The hot rumor in New York political circles has Roger Stone, the longtime GOP activist, as the source for Dan Rather's dubious Texas Air National Guard "memos."

The irony would be delicious, since Rather became famous confronting President Nixon, in whose service a very young Stone became associated with political "dirty tricks."

Reached at his Florida home, Stone had no comment.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=850630#850813

23.

I get one starting, " N EW YORKERS are at least four times as likely to be punched to death than to be killed with an assault-style rifle, unpublished state crime statistics show."

eom

It's at the end, very brief, the same as what is posted in one of the replies above.

NT

There are three blurbs on the page; it's the last one on the page.

He was on one of the talk shows today, can't remember which, talking about it too. Real rude, contantly interupting.

BTW, isn't he the guy caught on tape at a swingers convention or nudist resort or something like that?

In swingers magazines. You ought to see these two. Oh, Myrtle...tucked and rolled and diamond tufted like a chopped, channeled and lowered '51 Mercury with fender skirts and Moon hubcaps.

nice catch!:toast:

edit - add another one

A Bush Covert Operative Takes Over Al Sharpton's Campaign
Sleeping With the GOP
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0405/barrett.php

'Roger Stone, the longtime Republican dirty-tricks operative who led the mob that shut down the Miami-Dade County recount and helped make George W. Bush president in 2000, is financing, staffing, and orchestrating the presidential campaign of Reverend Al Sharpton.'

7-14-03
http://www.voiceoffreedom.com/electionstuff/electionlaw.html

That campaign, Judge Hooper found, was orchestrated by Roger J. Stone Jr., a Republican lobbyist and political operative who has said he worked for President Richard Nixon’s Watergate-era re-election Committee and served as Campaign Strategist for Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush.

Roger Stone, who owns a $2.2 million bayfront mansion in Surfside, FLA, received $1.8 million from the Miami-Dade County Commission last year, for political work he did for the County.

snip

According to Judge Hooper’s 36-page order, Roger Stone, through his Washington, D.C.-based firm, "Ikon Public Affairs", was the real agent behind the campaign in late 2000 and 2001 to defeat the Florida Justices in the 2002 merit retention election. But who, if anyone, was paying Roger Stone and giving him orders remains unclear.

snip

Mary McCarty testified that between Nov. 13 and Nov. 16, Roger Stone called her at her home. “He explained to me that people were very, very upset with the way the Florida Supreme Court was conducting itself, and that in Florida we have a merit retention system.”

more ---


from 1999
Trump's Top Op.(Donald Trump's political adviser Roger Stone)
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_25_51/ai_58326762

AT AGE 47, Roger Stone is already one of the great characters of Washington-a man who embodied the liberals' "decade of greed" talk in the 1980s, when his extensive Reagan-administration contacts helped him become one of the flashiest lobbyists in town. He was like a character in a Tom Wolfe novel, a D.C. master of the universe, who bragged about how much his suits cost and bopped around in a Jaguar (when he wasn't in his chauffeur-driven Mercedes). In 1985, The New Republic tagged him a "state-of-the-art sleazeball."

Stone is now working for billionaire presidential contender Donald J. Trump. Almost nobody in Washington takes Trump's candidacy seriously. They don't doubt he could win the Reform party nomination, but believe he won't even pursue it. And Trump's very lack of seriousness is symbolized by his choice of Stone as chief political adviser. If Trump really wants to be president, he might be wise to leave Stone at home.

Tells you all you need to know about Al Sharpton, too. Al Sharpton is for Al Sharpton, period. He cares not about the Democratic party.

Isn't he voting for Kerry? LOL!!

The Repukes knew they were fakes because they planted them. That is why they behaved the way they did. It was the only thing that made sense of their certainty and instant reaction about these memos.

i am wondering as they handed out to press their copies they didnt say forgies, watch and report, heads up

The reich wing came out too soon after the CBS disclosure with their analysis, cries of forgery, for them not to know what CBS was going to present.

They had Rove or someone Rove-like all over them!

All they know is how to win by cheating, and stealing and lying and planting false evidence. These guys are truly sick. Google this guy and you get a long list of crimes from being the whore "who directed the mob that shut down the Miami-Dade vote recount process in 2000" to "working for Charles Colson in President Richard Nixon's 1972 re-election campaign, running covert infiltration". What a resume indeed. It would make Rove and Atwater proud.

:mad:

Sonia

hypocrits as they judge all yet behave like this to get what they want.

It drives me nuts that they get away with their FAKE Christian values.

I seem to remember a few DUers mentioning that before memogate erupted.

considering his past and the way he works.

remember, roger stone is the one who worked WITH al sharpton to help bring down dean.

working with dems to help defeat other dems, that's his tactic.

You're good!

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Roger_J._Stone,_Jr.

Roger J. Stone, Jr.

Roger J. Stone, Jr. is a long-time Republican dirty-tricks operative who led the mob that shut down the Miami-Dade County recount and helped make George W. Bush president in 2000. He was also a campaign strategist during the presidential campaigns of Presidents Nixon, Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush. He is the chairman of the Fort Hill Group, a Washington, D.C.-based public affairs firm.

Stone was also a strategist for the 1981 and 1985 campaigns for governor of New Jersey by Thomas H. Kean, who was later appointed by President Bush to chair the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the 9-11 Commission). <1>

During the 2004 presidential primary, Stone served as a behind-the-scenes consultant to black firebrand Al Sharpton's campaign to win the Democratic Party nomination, prompting speculation that Sharpton's campaign was actually a stealth operation to weaken the party's chances of winning in the general election. Writing in the Village Voice, Wayne Barrett noted that Stone was "financing, staffing, and orchestrating the presidential campaign of Reverend Al Sharpton. ... Sharpton has a little-noticed history of Republican machinations inconsistent with his fiery rhetoric. ... ny Sharpton-connected outrage against the party could either lower black turnout in several key close states, or move votes to Bush." <2>

The New York Times has also reported on the strange-bedfellows relationship between Stone and Sharpton, noting that Stone was behind several of Sharpton's most visible campaign tactics, including scrutiny of primary candidate Howard Dean's record of minority appointees when he was governor of Vermont. <3>

round em up

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Roger_J._Stone,_Jr

Roger J. Stone, Jr
(There is currently no text in this page)

Not that much time has passed since your post. Is it possible that someone took it down? Or have I done something wrong and this is really a computer error message?

If it HAS disappeared, this is really disturbing.

What do you expect in the USSA (United Soviet States of Amerika)?

if you put his name in it will come up

It was kind of disingenuous of me to blame the site or my computer and not admit that I might be doing something wrong. I should've tried doing a search before jumping to conclusions. (Not that scrubbing couldn't happen, but...)

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:4OJOM8c4e40J:www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml%3Ftitle%3DRoger_J._Stone%252C_Jr.%26printable%3Dyes+%22%2Bwww.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml%3Ftitle%3DRoger_J._Stone,_Jr%22&hl=en

Roger J. Stone, Jr.

Roger J. Stone, Jr. is a long-time Republican dirty-tricks operative who led the mob that shut down the Miami-Dade County recount and helped make George W. Bush president in 2000. He was also a campaign strategist during the presidential campaigns of Presidents Nixon, Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush. He is the chairman of the Fort Hill Group, a Washington, D.C.-based public affairs firm.
Stone was also a strategist for the 1981 and 1985 campaigns for governor of New Jersey by Thomas H. Kean, who was later appointed by President Bush to chair the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the 9-11 Commission). <1> (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/8479060.htm)

During the 2004 presidential primary, Stone served as a behind-the-scenes consultant to black firebrand Al Sharpton's campaign to win the Democratic Party nomination, prompting speculation that Sharpton's campaign was actually a stealth operation to weaken the party's chances of winning in the general election. Writing in the Village Voice, Wayne Barrett noted that Stone was "financing, staffing, and orchestrating the presidential campaign of Reverend Al Sharpton. ... Sharpton has a little-noticed history of Republican machinations inconsistent with his fiery rhetoric. ... ny Sharpton-connected outrage against the party could either lower black turnout in several key close states, or move votes to Bush." <2> (http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0405/barrett.php)

The New York Times has also reported on the strange-bedfellows relationship between Stone and Sharpton, noting that Stone was behind several of Sharpton's most visible campaign tactics, including scrutiny of primary candidate Howard Dean's record of minority appointees when he was governor of Vermont. <3> (http://www.mail-archive.com/pen-l@galaxy.csuchico.edu/msg85212.html)


External links

Michael Slackman, "Sharpton's Bid Aided by an Unlikely Source (http://www.mail-archive.com/pen-l@galaxy.csuchico.edu/msg85212.html)," New York Times, January 25, 2004.
Wayne Barrett, "Sleeping With the GOP (http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0405/barrett.php)," Village Voice, February 5, 2004.
Glen Ford and Peter Gamble, "The Problem with Al Sharpton (http://www.blackcommentator.com/76/76_cover_sharpton.html)," The Black Commentator, February 5, 2004.
Wayne Barrett, "A Dirty Trickster's Bush Bonanza (http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0416/barrett.php)," Village Voice, April 19, 2004.
Roger J. Stone, Jr., "The Edge of Tom Kean (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/8479060.htm)," Philadelphia Inquirer, April 21, 2004.

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... you will find what you need there. You can Google right from the Disinfopedia page if you scroll down some.

I suggest you get a screen shot before the Repugs find it.

... if you build a pigpen and fill it with pigshit, the Repugs will come.

(Apologies to "Field Of Dreams.")

Telling.

I hope he loses all of his money because his accountant takes it and runs away to the Cayman islands.

I hope he propositions a woman who turns out to be a man who takes photos of their encounter and sells them to the National Enquirer (after placing them on the Internet).

I hope he is found guilty of a crime (that he either committed or did not) and, because of federal sentencing guidelines pushed through by the Republicans he supports, is forced to spend the rest of his life doing hard time in a rough prison.

Then he will experience physical hardship, humiliation, poverty, and TRUE loss of freedom.

... Bill Murray, "Ghostbusters":

"This man has no dick."

that perhaps these are the Boys Brazil! LoL

wrong thread.

to when Rove was chairman of the College Republicans. Lee Atwater joined Stone's consulting firm in 1984. Gee what a coincidence?



Career: In the years of the Watergage scandal, Rove's career as a big-time political handler began with a motley crew of friends and associates. He was chairman of the College Republicans when George Herbert Walker Bush was chairman of the state Republican Party in 1973. He won the presidency of the College Republicans in a race against Terry Dolan. The late Lee Atwater, who later became famous as the political attack dog for the Reagan-Bush team, managed Rove's campaign. Dolan went on to become a Soft Money pioneer by helping form the National Conservative Political Action Committee, then died of AIDS in 1986 at age 36. Dolan's advisers in his loss to Rove were Charlie Black, Paul Manafort and Roger Stone. Those three were later instrumental in the success of Ronald Reagan's 1984 campaign.

Atwater joined the consulting firm of Black, Manafort and Stone after the '84 election. The firm later worked for the 1988 Bush-Quayle campaign. Two of Nixon's dirty tricksters also worked for Bush-Quayle: Frederick Malek, Bush's Republican National Committee rep, who had compiled lists of Jews in the Bureau of Labor Statistics as part of Nixon's investigation of a "Jewish Cabal;" and Dwight Chapin, who was jailed for lying to a grand jury about hiring Donald Sigretti to disrupt the 1972 Democratic primary campaign of Senator Edward Muskie. Chapin worked under Manafort in 1988. The firm's other clients included drug-connected Bahamian Prime Minister Oscar Pindling, Philippine dictator Ferdinand Marcos, and UNITA, the South African-supported Angolan rebel group led by CIA asset Jonas Savimbi. Lee Atwater lobbied for UNITA. All of which began when Atwater was introduced to George Bush in 1973, by his good friend Karl Rove.

http://www.famoustexans.com/karlrove.htm


Edit to add pic:



Roger Stone and his wife Nydia

His lobbyists won't conform to the snide caricature of "The State of the Art Washington Sleazeball," as The New Republic famously described the Republican lobbyist and political consultant Roger Stone in a cover story in the 1980's.

hmm... I'd like to read that article. Sounds like just the type of guy Rove would use.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2087506/
(there isn't any good info there other than the quote above).

This Stone guy sure gets around.

is rooted, where it started, who believes it and why? I'd sure like to know more.

The Miami Riots

Al Sharpton's Campaign

Take Back Our Judiciary

Jim Baker

Sex scandals with his wife Nydia

Bob Dole's Campaign

Ronald Reagan's Campaign

Lee Atwater

Karl Rove



He's popping up all over the place like a bad case of measles.

but I thought his wife's name was Nikki. Some one should dig up that old Enquirer story about their spouse swapping adventures. It happened while he was working on the Dole campaing.

"Roger Stone, a millionaire political consultant who began his career as a 19-year-old Watergate dirty trickster, virtually took over the Sharpton campaign in the last quarter of 2003, according to reports in the New York Times (January 25), Salon.com ("A GOP Trickster Rents Sharpton," February 3) and New York’s Village Voice ("Sleeping with the GOP," February 3). ...Roger Stone is the Hard Right storm trooper whose goons bum-rushed the Miami-Dade elections offices in 2000, shutting down the recount and setting the stage for George Bush’s "selection."

http://www.legitgov.org/shortnews_0204.html

Dole aide denies sex allegations
By The Associated Press


NEW YORK -- Now it's the Republicans' turn to see one of their own in a tabloid sex tale.

Roger Stone, a volunteer adviser with Bob Dole's presidential campaign and onetime chairman for Sen. Arlen Specter's short-lived White House bid, yesterday denied allegations that he visited a sex club with his wife and placed X-rated ads on the Internet and in magazines.

The allegations appear in the New York Post, which cited upcoming editions of the supermarket tabloids National Enquirer and Star.

<snip>

The Post quoted Mr. Stone as conceding that the bills for the postings on the Internet site were paid for with his credit card. He told the newspaper the post office box number listed on the Internet site belonged to him, but had been improperly obtained.

In June, Mr. Stone was named to the Dole campaign's "Clinton Accountability Team" of surrogates to help make Mr. Dole's case against the Democratic incumbent.



http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/09-96/09-13-96/a04wn026.htm

So far all we have is a rumor.

Stone is also part of Black, Manafort, Stone and Kelly. They have all kinds of GOP ties. There's got to be something in all these connections somewhere. Keep googling.

http://www.eco.utexas.edu/Homepages/Faculty/Cleaver/357Lsum_s2_Crawford.html

"The official youth weapon of the GOP is the Young Republican National Federation (YRNF), which is composed of the teenage and College Republicans. The Young Republicans were controlled by the right–wingers as early as the Eisenhower years. YRNF was considered anti-Rockefeller, anti-Eastern and anti-liberal. A young leader of YRNF was recruited by a right-winger (Roger Stone-former NCPAC treasurer) to infiltrate several 1972 Democratic election campaigns.

"This action gave the YRNF a bad name, which a number of its members were distressed about and ready to clear themselves of the Nixon scandal. In 77 Stone and Richard Evans (right-winger from Kentucky) were competing for the chairmanship of the Young Republicans and in spite his involvement in the dirty tricks of the Nixon campaign Stone was able to win. His success can be attributed to the skillful campaigning of his supporters who were able to portray the Young Republicans as an ideological battle and painted Evans as a follower of the Rockerfeller liberal. Stone put into practice a direct-mail fund raising program which successfully increased revenue greatly. The organization became active in other areas and concentrated on training young political leaders. This led to the New Right domination of the 1979 Young Republican Leadership Conference."

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Burkett said that he received the memos from someone else right?

But he won't give the name of the person. I am trying to figure out how Stone could be involved.

when called at his FLORIDA home? GUILTY! All he had to say was he wasn't involved.

Don't trust anything the New York Post has to say. They work for the Republican Party.

can be found in strange places.

This is just one tiny paragraph buried in a story.

I think there are people in the media, who are trying to help, by planting little tidbits here and there.

I will take my gifts where ever I might find them.

for those from another planet, Murdoch also owns Bush, er I mean Fox News which is often called Faux News.

So that they can claim that it was out there when in reality it was buried.

That may be what's happening here.

The dems are too late as per usual, and the media won't report McAullife's statement anyway unless the dems can find a way to muscle them to do so.

"We even published information about it, and Democrats did nothing - proving that this issue is not worth looking into."

If Stone could be traced calling Burkett..... How do we get phone records? Don't you need a court order? With the Patriot Act, maybe not. Surely Dan Rather and his producer looked at Burkett's phone records? Burkett received a phone call from SOMEONE who gave him the documents. The evidence is in the phone records. THAT is the connection.

with phone records as they were intentionally sloppy with retyping the Killian memoes!:smoke:

There might be a headache and a fee, but the phone company is permitted to give it to a customer.

It is so easy to get that the link won't be that easy.

Any disgruntled, pissed off and screwed over CIA operatives out there? We need phone records!!!

Y'all are gonna have to act fast. Every minute we sit around here yammering about how all-powerful Rove couldn't possibly have left any fingerprints, so don't bother looking... Is another minute SOMEONE could be looking into this.

(AND DON'T wait for CBS or Rove to f*ck up the chain of evidence further. I'll bet Bushies TOLD Rather's boss that the docs were a Kerry plant, and THAT'S the only reason he spent so much time on it. "I have faith in an angry Dan Rather" -- puh-leeze!)

Every minute you guys broadcast this info over the 'net and sit around telling stories about what a bad man that Jersey Devil Stone, is another minute someone on FR.com is BUSY, BUSY, BUSY telling people to keep quiet and getting their stories straight. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Geez, no wonder most prosecutors are Republican... Dems aren't jumping on the EVIDENCE fast enough. This country would have been stolen by the rich ages ago and the investigation would still be ongoing. Where's Walt Starr when you need him?

a sacrifice, but someone's gotta do it!

You kids don't remember it, but that was the guy.

http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/03/09/15_recount.html

http://www.bartcop.com/stone.htm

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There's a photo. KKKarl has interesting friends.

http://www.namebase.org/main4/Roger-J-Stone.html

All Namebase does is tell you that a particular person's name appears on the same page of a book as certain other names. But given that limitation, Roger J. Stone's name keeps some fairly interesting company. One that jumped out at me was Morton Blackwell -- the guy who was handing out the Purple Heart bandaids -- whose name appears twice in proximity to Stone's in a book called "Thunder on the Right."

This is something I've been looking for -- a concise history of the rise of the New Right and the role of all those shadowy figures like Richard Mellon Scaife, who was behind the attempt to destroy Clinton and seems linked to all the dirty-tricksters in the current campaign.

http://www.audarya-fellowship.com/showflat/cat/WorldNews/47194/2/collapsed/7/o/1

The term 'New Right' was coined by Kevin Phillips in 1975 and refers to the amalgam of organisations and institutes spawned by Richard A. Viguerie, Paul Weyrich, Howard Phillips and John Terry Dolan with heavy funding from such financial magnates as Joseph Coors, Nelson Bunker Hunt and Richard Mellon Scaife. ... In 1973 Coors, with the help and advice of Paul Weyrich, a broadcast journalist by profession and not the mere 'political mechanic' he pretended to be, and Edwin Feulner, another Congressional aide, founded the Heritage Foundation.

<snip>

Perhaps the most important constituent body of the New Right network after the Heritage Foundation is the National Conservative Political Action Committee (NCPAC), also founded in 1975 by John Terry Dolan, a lawyer by profession, Charles Black and Roger Stone with the help of Richard Viguerie.

<snip>

Ronald Reagan's election as President of the US marked an important historic divide in the rise and development of the New Right and its religious component. Once inside the White House, the President, contrary to envisaged plans for its abolition, decided to retain the post of special religious advisor. In the face of firm opposition from the mainline denominations, he appointed Morton C. Blackwell, founder of the ultra-conservative Committee for Responsible Youth Politics and ex-editor of the RAVCO-owned New Right Report still with strong political and financial ties to Viguerie, to the post.

Googling the National Conservative Political Action Committee, of which Stone was a co-founder in 1975, leads directly to L. Brent Bozell, who was at some point NCPAC's president and chairman of the board.

Bozell, of course, has been deeply implicated in this whole memoes flap. It was his Cybercast News Service that was instrumental in moving the forgery claim from the blogs to mainstream news sources.

For a summary on Bozell, see http://www.cephasministry.com/church_and_state_cornweb_primer_1.html

some one is going to have to draw a chart when all this is done

Last night, I searched online and found a concept mapping program called CMap that allows you to create free-form visual grids of names with links between them. I'm plugging in all these VRWC guys and hoping that when I'm done the result will be something useful and not just a pile of spaghetti.

The program's available at http://cmap.ihmc.us/download and is free for personal and non-profit use, if anybody else wants to try their hand at making sense of all this garbage. :-)

that is just terrific. thinkin i am going to need a visual, lol

coolest

...into organized crime, where there's a chart showing the "Boss of Bosses" and his capos and soldiers. Instead of John Gotti there'd be a picture of Karl Rove et al.

As always, LaRouche material should not be taken as reliable unless it checks out elsewhere, since they often make wild charges without offering documentation. And the gratuitous anti-gay and anti-Semitic comments in this piece are particularly unsavory. That said, the connections indicated here would be of interest if they prove true:

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2004/3108sharpton.html

Roy Cohn, Mafia mouthpiece, murder conspirator for the ultra-right, and Sen. Joe McCarthy's counsel, kept a framed copy of the New York Post from Oct. 17, 1980, endorsing Ronald Reagan for President, inscribed "To Roy Cohn with deepest appreciation and gratitude for all you've done, your protégé and friend, Roger Stone." When Cohn, a gay-basher, was dying of sodomy-induced AIDS, Stone was the toastmaster at his loving mentor's last big event.

<snip>

In 1975, Stone founded the National Conservative Political Action Committee (NCPAC) with Charles Black—who would become his permanent political partner—and Terry Dolan, an AIDS-stricken homosexual and radical "family values" right-winger. The main money for NCPAC came from North Carolina racist millionaire Tom Ellis—a promoter of Nazi eugenics—who ran the whole career of Senator Jesse Helms. Ellis brought in the new dirty-tricks consulting firm of Black, Manafort and Stone to run all Helms campaigns. Roy Cohn personally arranged for Jewish millionaires to stop contributing to Helms's opponents, in exchange for Helms changing his politics to support the extreme rightist Likud Party of Israel. Meanwhile NCPAC raised funds from conservatives for Oliver North's Central-American Contras, attempting to cover over the actual financing from narcotics trafficking.

<snip>

As Black's partner, Roger Stone soon became the permanent strategist for billionaire casino owner Donald Trump, who inherited some of the old Meyer Lansky properties. Stone built up his own interests in the organized-crime-dominated casino world, while acting as political director for the national Republican Party apparatus. In 1982, Stone managed the Senate campaign of Prescott Bush, Jr. (uncle to the current President), using NCPAC funds. To help in that failed Bush race, and for a Helms campaign, Stone and Black hired Roy Cohn protégé Dick Morris, who would later advise and betray President Bill Clinton.

http://www.salon.com/news/news960812.html

"One of Tim Carey's comrades in the State Street Gang, Frank Trotta, attended a Republican camp for New Yorkers as a teenager. His counselors included Roger Stone, who would later hold leadership positions in the Reagan and Bush campaigns, and Terry Dolan, who later became the director of the National Conservative Political Action Committee."


http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_25_51/ai_58326762

"It's not that Stone is ignorant of politics. In fact, he loved politics from a very early age. He says he read Barry Goldwater's Conscience of a Conservative when he was twelve. Even as an adolescent, he spent every free minute working on Republican campaigns in Connecticut and New York with his close friend, the late Republican operative Terry Dolan.

<snip>

"Throughout the 1970s, Stone was a committed Republican, and a fairly conservative one. When he married in 1974, he and his wife honeymooned at a GOP camp for teens where they were counselors."


This second article, which originally appeared in National Review, has some additional interesting tidbits on Stone, such as this one:

"In 1986, he made the mistake of calling Vice President Bush a 'weenie' in Time magazine-a snub that has made it difficult for him in presidential-level GOP circles ever since."

As in African Dictator's like Mobutu, who help fund civil wars and al Qaeda terrorist with the money?

God, this Stone guy has his tentacles in everything? He must be a very busy man?

I've plowed through a lot of material on the New Right, and there seem to be at least two major groups involved here. The one to which MacDougald and Bozell belong tends to be southern, culturally conservative, often racist, rabidly anti-Clinton, and funded by Scaife.

The other, to which Stone and Blackwell and Rove belong, and which comes out of the various Young Republican and College Republican groups of the 60's, is more northern, libertarian, given to Nixonian dirty tricks, and funded, I think, by Viguerie and Weyrich.

This doesn't mean that MacDougald and Stone couldn't have been part of the same operation. Both groups are, after all, dedicated to promoting the campaign of George W. But it does suggest that we'e unlikely to find any direct connection between them. They just don't hang out in the same circles.

to nowhere.

can try to expose them but the money we cannot compete against. Remember in the Untouchables, everything went back to the bookkeeper.
The bookkeeper is a player because nobody does all of this for nothing. There are favors and paybacks and more than lobbyists. There is big money exchanging hands. It is all so corrupt and our biggest fault is thinking we were dealing with just regular crooked politicians. The kind we are used to. This is bigger, stronger and unfortunately universal. Marc Rich was an amateur compared to this bunch. Follow the money. Follow the lie. Then what?

to Indian gaming. There are actual mob connections to Florida Indian gaming. Stone was involved in indian gaming according to one article I read.

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0416/barrett.php

This is a different piece from the Village Voice article about Stone's Sharpton connection which was referenced above. It's full of fascinating details about Stone's Byzantine relationships with multiple Indian tribes and gaming interests, as well as on his connections with the White House.

Whether Stone turns out to be the source of the memoes or not, researching him has certainly turned up a lot of amazing information about how business is done on the wild side of the New Right.

The Rupugs sure have been busy this week. First they get caught planting that little girl at the Kerry rally and now this! I hope the mainstream media actually follows up on these stories, instead of their usual lazy-ass coverage.

The whole damn things smells like a repub setup to me. Rove is like a cat about covering up his shit, but looks like this Stone guy is sloppy, if he was stupid enough to place swinger ads being as well known as he is. The two worked together learning all their dirty tricks in Tricky Dick's reelection campaign.

Hmmm... someone here has floated the name Armando Guiterrez, as the husband of Lucy Ramirez, the supposed source of Burkett's documents. Guiterrez, is 1) a member of the GOP riot at Palm Beach election offices. 2) Family spokesperson for the Elian Gonzalez debacle. 3) Paid aid to a judge, King, in Miami 4) Known in GOP and Cuban/American circles as someone who can make any opponent "disappear". Tell me.. WHAT is up with Florida??? WHY do so many unsavory GOP things seem to start and end there???

Wonder if anyone can confirm a link to this guy and the memos, or if the Lucy Ramirez/Armando Guiterrez thing is a goose chase. Interesting, though... Roger Stone's ex-wife owns a graphics company, through which Stone has run quite a few operations in the past few years...

wow, that says it all. I was driving home thinking why Rather and his team don't focus on the source of the alledgedly forged docs, isn't that where the real story is??

I get home and wife is mad at Rather and this could bring down the Kerry campaign. When I try to defend the story she jumps down my throat. well, well well let's see where this story goes. Everything about Bush stinks to high heaven and maybe he fucked to big this time. Which inevitably means terror alerts, martial law or nuking Iran before the election, because these Bush fuckers don't want to lose.

Another mention of an Armando Gutierrez:

Tight race could show import of minority
By Gary Scharrer, El Paso Times, 07/11/2004

'Issues motivate Hispanic voters, who also require attention by candidates and one-on-one persuasion, consultant Armando Gutierrez said during a panel discussion at the LULAC convention.

That means campaigns need to knock on doors.

"It's hard work. It's messy. It's dusty. And you get chased by dogs," said Gutierrez, who has worked on national presidential campaigns.'

The article doesn't say whether he is a republican or Democrat.

But here's hoping!

Gutierrez was a paid consultant to Judge King the Chairman of the Canvassing Board, at the time he helped stage the riot. Gutierrez is also has ties to the other two members of the Canvassing Board. Judge King and the other board members only saw friendly faces in that crowd. He knew who all these people were and where they came from. Some of them were his friends.


Here's a link to the gory details, that I've discovered:



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=884908&mesg_id=884908

I've been thinking about this for a few hours. What better way to keep this story an issue on the news networks, than to have something like this floating around.

It could be a successful plot to have the media shift focus, but continue dwelling on the story where the headline is 'Phony Documents Used Against Bush'.

If this becomes the next talking point for the next week or so, then you have 2 weeks plus the original week of the controversy making it almost a MONTH OF TIME TALKED ABOUT '' PHONY EVIDENCE USED AGAINST BUSH'' =

.....and when voters go to the booth's they will be thinking
'all that they say against Bush is Phony''

Thats just my thoughts as the clock strokes midnight

everybody should right now be very cautious!!!!!
They are able to do everything to get the attention off the BUSH-IRAQ-DISASTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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the beast ...KKKarl Rove. He is a mastermind at perception, changing it, spinning it, whatever. The "things are not all that they seem" kinda guy. I think it is no coincidence that Rove had a direct mail marketing program just like Stone. BIG DUH!!!

According to this, which I found on a freeper site from 2000, the wife of the Gutierrez involved in the Elian affair is named Maritza. So that isn't Lucy Ramirez.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a387bcc6e2447.htm

GDoyle

I don't know if she took part in memogate, but since the Elian fiasco and the Miami Riot, she has done well for herself.

She is a member of the Miami Sports and Expo Authority and JEB appointed her to his Destination Florida Commission.

don't really doubt Bush's service record?

The message the forgery sends is this: "We got nothing on Bush. We can't get anything on him. Deep down, we're afraid he might really be some kind of shining, golden creature... But we want power, and so we must attack him in any way we can... even with lies."

I think it's better to push this issue, and to expose the truth.

Whatever became of this?

Enter Indian Country Today’s source, a Democratic political campaign operative who divulged to Indian Country Today that he did in fact turn the materials over to Time, stating that he acted after receiving information from Roger Stone, a confirmed one-time operative for Atlantic City Casino mogul Donald Trump.

Through a letter sent to Indian Country Today by his attorney, Stone has disputed the claim that he instigated the Time magazine story. "Mr. Stone believes that an individual by the name of Mike Copperthite is claiming to have provided the information to Time magazine at Mr. Stone’s instigation." The statement says this claim is "false in all respects."

http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=313

"I have nothing whatsoever to do with this," Stone told USA TODAY. "I'm a firm believer in political hardball, but I draw the line at forged documents."

Unfortunately, I can't find the article that refers to this... It was in the Washington Post, if I remember correctly...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A40156-2003Jul10¬Found=true

But the committee's real organizer, the election commission said, was veteran GOP political consultant Roger Stone, who has been involved in major campaigns dating to Richard M. Nixon's administration. The election commission wanted to question Stone, who owns a home in Florida, but it couldn't locate him to serve a subpoena.

In a recent report on the matter, the commission says Stone persuaded McCarty to head the committee and that he supplied $150,000 from undisclosed sources. The group mailed letters to 350,000 Republican voters asking for money to send "a clear message to the Florida Supreme Court that we will not tolerate their efforts to highjack the presidential election for Al Gore."

The Florida Elections Commission concluded that McCarty violated several state election laws, including accepting contributions exceeding the $500 state limit and filing an inaccurate disclosure report. McCarty has sued in federal court, seeking to block the commission proceedings. She told the Associated Press: "I didn't do any of this except sign my name. . . . This was basically some sort of a scam that was set up that I was used in. I was duped."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-09-20-cbs-documents_x.htm

"Burkett told USA TODAY that he had agreed to turn over the documents to CBS if the network would arrange a conversation with the Kerry campaign.

"The network's effort to place Burkett in contact with a top Democratic official raises ethical questions about CBS' handling of material potentially damaging to the Republican president in the midst of an election. This "poses a real danger to the potential credibility ... of a news organization," said Aly Colón, a news ethicist at The Poynter Institute for Media Studies."

This is a 2004 story about how Roger Stone spread malicious stories about Pat Buchanan, helped break up the Reform Party, and open the door to its nomination of Ralph Nader.

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0420/barrett.php

Excerpt:

"Pat Buchanan ... seized control of the most successful third party in half a century, the Reform Party, whose founder, Ross Perot, cost Bush I the presidency in 1992. Once Buchanan became the party's presidential nominee, he mysteriously disappeared, getting 2.4 million votes less than Ralph Nader, 80,000 less in Florida alone. The Buchanan saga remains important not only because it reveals the seamy underside of Bush II's ascent to power, but because it shows how the GOP virtually eliminated a national centrist party that could've altered the 2004 race.

Alive now in only seven states, the party's remnants just offered their ballot line to Nader, which could also wind up benefiting Bush. The saga begins with a baby, allegedly born more than four decades ago. Incredibly, just as Bush backers in 2000 used an illegitimate-child scandal in South Carolina to smear John McCain, longtime Republican dirty-tricks operative Roger Stone was simultaneously using just such a scandal to undermine Buchanan."

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http://www.offthekuff.com/mt/archives/002266.html

Roger Stone update
My faithful correspondent Alfredo Garcia has been mailing me regular updates on the case of Mary McCarty and Roger Stone. McCarty is a Republican County Commissioner from Palm Beach who was cited for election law violations as chair of a PAC called the Committee to Take Back Our Judiciary, which was formed in the aftermath of the Florida election circus of 2000 with the intent of unelecting three state Supreme Court judges who had had made a favorable ruling to Al Gore in his effort to get a statewide recount. Stone is the man who allegedly financed the PAC; McCarty claims she did nothing knowingly wrong but merely followed Stone's bidding. You can read some background here, here, here, here, and here.

All along, Stone has refused to give up any information about the source of the $150,000 that was used to fund Take Back Our Judiciary, and the state laws are essentially toothless to compel him to do so. Now comes the kicker: Stone was personally recruited by James Baker to "help the Bush-Cheney post-election campaign in Florida".



“Shortly after Election Day, Stone received a call from Baker aide Margaret Tutwiler, who said, “Mr. Baker would like you to go to Florida,” Toobin wrote in “Too Close to Call,” his 2001 book on the presidential election meltdown.

Toobin also reported that on Nov. 22, 2000, Stone was a leader at a noisy protest outside the Miami-Dade County election division’s offices in the Stephen P. Clark Center in downtown Miami. The protesters were upset about the recount that was ordered to continue the day before by a unanimous Florida Supreme Court. The protest disrupted the recount.

“From a building across the street, Roger Stone communicated with his people on the ground by walkie-talkie,” wrote Toobin, who interviewed Stone for the book.



I do believe he's referring to the so-called bourgeois riot, in which paid GOP activists were flown in to shut down an ongoing recount. Amazing how cozy these working relationships can be, isn't it?

This is yet another piece in a larger pattern of grabbing power by the national Republican Party. I can joke all I want to about tinfoil hats, but at some point one has to wonder if it's crazier to believe or not to believe. Teresa's words, first spoken here, ring more and more true: "I deeply resent the way this administration makes me feel like a nutbar conspiracy theorist."

http://www.polstate.com/archives/005265.html
Monday, April 12, 2004
NY: (Convention) Buyer's Remorse?
by Peter Levinson

Whether New Yorkers feel they need a reminder that the war on terror can be fought in New York City, the reporter doesn't say. Roger Stone gets the last word in the Times story.
"I think the decision to go to New York was predicated on the fact that this war effort was as successful as the gulf war effort under President George H. W. Bush," he said. But, he added, "While the conduct of the war was probably a plus for the president, it now has the potential to be a negative and therefore the party's presence in New York becomes problematic."

to be the manager of the Texas Kinko store where the memos were faxed from. Caller claimed to be a good friend of Burkett and that Burkett was NEVER in his store. Caller also claimed to be a good Democrat. He would not leave his name. Anybody live near this Kinkos that can check it out?

Heard same thing on air America. Had to go to a meeting and missed what happened after the break. This guy said there were two possible scenarios, sounded interesting. Did Ed Schultz continue with him after the break? He had given a web site but no name Tex-Dem or something like that. Said he was a good friend of Burketts. What gives? I am a first time poster and a Kerry mom.

i am a kerry mom too, grinnin,..............havent heard it that way, but now they are saying woman, fearful women for bush, guess that is a good way of saying it, kerry mom

break,too. By the time I got my satellite radio hooked up again inside, the call was over. Maybe we can email Shultz or someone at Air America and ask what happened. I'm a newbie, too.

I just sent an email to Shultz's producer asking about the rest of that call.

This whole Stone thing has the smell of a trap. He's not denying it. Come on. Be careful about pushing this.

I agree with you. I do not think that this stuff helps. They always do a better job with dirt than we do. I was just curious. I am always looking for info. Can't seem to get enough! Thanks for listening.

Hi, I'm a first time poster. I found this information and wanted to post it somewhere. It was interesting.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=11th&navby=case&no=9912108OPN

It looks like a court case involving bank fraud in south Florida. With someone by the name of Lucia Ramirez. The reason why I think there maybe a connection is because I know stone and bunch of these others are in south Florida. I know it seems like a long shot but just though I'd put it out their.

In February of 1995, BankAtlantic acquired MegaBank, a Dade County commercial bank, in order to create an international division. MegaBank's international division was headed by Piedad Ortiz, and after the acquisition, she became Vice President of BankAtlantic's international division. Ortiz had overseen approximately 1100 accounts at MegaBank, and she continued this supervision at BankAtlantic. Shortly after acquiring MegaBank, BankAtlantic conducted an internal audit of its new international division, and this audit revealed suspicious practices. A private pouch service made regular deliveries addressed to "BankAtlantic, International Division, Attention Ms. Piedad Ortiz." These pouches, which were uninsured, contained large amounts of checks, money orders and negotiable instruments along with deposit and transfer instructions. The pouches originated from a private courier service-discretely located in the back of another business-in Bogota, Columbia, and the checks and other instruments transported in the pouches were from various locations in the United States, including New York and New Jersey. BankAtlantic discovered that Ortiz and her assistant, Lucia Ramirez (who had also joined BankAtlantic as part of the MegaBank acquisition), were responsible for initiating and maintaining this pouch service.

http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/annualreports/ar96/chapt1.pdf

"Law enforcement officials in the DEA’s Miami Field Division disrupted one of the most powerful international money laundering organizations identified to date when they arrested Blanca Piedad-Ortiz on June 23, 1996. A 6-month money laundering investigation into the activities of Ms. Piedad-Ortiz identified illegal exchange houses, banking institutions, and businesses used by her and her associates, who are believed to have laundered several hundred million dollars in drug profits over the past decade."

Probably a red herring, but it's certainly interesting.

I also found this link to a court case in Miami Dade.

http://www.miami-dadeclerk.com/civil/pubsearch.asp

Just type in Ramirez, Lucia in the party Name space and its the 9th One down. I don't have any law experience so I can't tell what the outcome was. But if anyone out there does I would like to know.

who has the amazing ability to remove a cork from a wine bottle without using her hands according to this website. It's completely irrelevant I know but it's something you don't hear about every day.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:wpH_HsjTHigJ:www.egafd.com/films/details.php/id/n0031+lucia+ramirez&hl=en