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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:27 PM
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House Narrowly Passes Landmark Climate Bill

House Narrowly Passes Landmark Climate Bill

By Steven T. Dennis
Roll Call Staff
June 26, 2009, 7:17 p.m.

The House passed sweeping climate change legislation on a 219-212 vote Friday afternoon, delivering a major victory for President Barack Obama and Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) to cap the first half of the year.

Obama, Pelosi and Democratic leaders had launched an all-out lobbying effort at the start of the week and were whipping the bill right up to the vote. It was unclear all day whether Democrats had enough votes to clear the package, with leaders acknowledging the vote would be razor-thin.

Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) stalled the passage of the bill for over an hour by reading the bulk of a 300-page Peterson-Waxman compromise amendment on the House floor.

He contended that no Member of the House had time to read the lengthy amendment because it was filed at 3 a.m. Friday.

Energy and Commerce Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) attempted to stop Boehner about 10 minutes into the Ohio Republican’s one-man filibuster and requested that Speaker Pro Tem Ellen Tauscher (D-Calif.), who was confirmed Friday to a State Department position, limit the time that Boehner could consume.

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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:29 PM
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1. Hasn't Boehner done his part to screw the country over already?
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:48 PM
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16. Both guests freaking out about it on Kudlow.. HA HA HA victory for the
scientist written about in the New Yorker who has been struggling for this for decades.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:31 PM
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2. It's better than
losing it. It's a toe hold and now we lobby our Senators.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:31 PM
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3. Anyday Boehner his beaten down in Congress
is a good day.

The bill must be a decent bill.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:38 PM
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8. Absolutely. It's worth it just to see Boehner go down.
I love watching the Republicans lose.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:31 PM
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4. Boehner? Filibuster? Boehnerbuster?
Glad he finally shut his stinking trap, and that the bill passed.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:53 PM
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19. Boehnerbuster!!!
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:33 PM
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5. Happy to hear it! n/t
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:34 PM
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6. ...
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 07:43 PM
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43. What about this one?
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wtbymark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:35 PM
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7. roll call at link...
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CBR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:38 PM
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9. Castle voted for it. Good. nt
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wtbymark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:41 PM
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But Kucinich did not so it makes me think..
that there's something seriously wrong with the bill.
:shrug:
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:45 PM
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13. He thought it didn't do enough. nt
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:58 PM
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22. There are many things seriously wrong with the bill.
Kucinich is right, as usual.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 07:01 PM
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24. Nonsense.
Edited on Fri Jun-26-09 07:04 PM by ProSense
There is a difference between claiming something doesn't go far enough and saying it's seriously wrong.

That's the problem with people who prefer to see something fail than make substantive progress.

Kucinich voted against SCHIP for the same reason last year, and then turned around and voted for it when the Dems gained a huge majority.

To hell with that.





Edited for clarity.

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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 07:04 PM
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27. This bill is seriously wrong.
Seriously, seriously wrong.

How has Cap and Trade worked in Europe? How do you think a bill that is more flawed than Europe's version going to fare here? Think about it.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 07:11 PM
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30. Most environmental groups see this a progress.
Seeking a tougher climate bill, green groups set eyes on the Senate

Most of the big environmental organizations, including the League of Conservation Voters, Sierra Club, National Wildlife Federation, and Environmental Defense Fund, are holding to the “strengthen and pass” motto.

Sierra Club Energy and Global Warming Program Director David Hamilton told Grist he thinks that the bill will be amended to encourage more government purchasing of renewable energy. Hamilton said Waxman and Markey asked for suggestions on how to improve it without threatening the fragile compromise with Peterson. “They said give us things that won’t screw up the deal, but be creative about where you get them,” he said.

What can be done?

The biggest flaws environmental organizations have identified in Waxman-Markey include the removal of the EPA’s authority to regulate greenhouse gas regulations under the Clean Air Act, the grandfathering of old coal-fired power plants in the initial years of the cap-and-trade program, and the delay in considering the climate impacts of indirect land use in biofuel production, among others.

Sierra Club’s Hamilton, like many others in the environmental community, said he is not expecting there to be too much room for improvement in this week’s debate. Amendments can be submitted up until 9:30 a.m. on Thursday, but the Rules Committee—consulting closely with House leaders like Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Waxman, and Markey—gets to decide which amendments get a vote. Due to the tenuous nature of the deal Democrats have forged, it’s unlikely that the Democratic leadership would permit amendments that could jeopardize the deal. They will likely, however, permit minor strengthening amendments to please more progressive members and to prevent floor debate from being limited to only Republican amendments.

“I think there is minimal opportunity for strengthening on the House floor,” said Hamilton.

LCV’s Nayak said the Democrats’ tight hold on how the House debate will unfold means there will be few opportunities for opponents to weaken the legislation. “A lot of the deals that have been cut have chipped away at it already,” said Nayak. “So I think there’s hope that some of the big weakening issues ... will be avoided.”


People who get thing done recognize progress and opportunity when they see it, and know how to seize it. Not every battle needs to be fought winner take all or lose.






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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 07:14 PM
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31. Most environmental groups are for a carbon tax, not cap and trade.
Edited on Fri Jun-26-09 07:16 PM by girl gone mad
Economists also agree that the tax would be much more economically feasible.

It's big finance that wants cap and trade because they see the dollar signs in a $2 Trillion free for all derivatives market (another financial meltdown waiting to happen). Very sad that our party is so thoroughly in their pockets.
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WonderGrunion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 07:25 PM
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36. Kucinich still lets the perfect be the enemy of the good
That is why he will never be a serious contender for the presidency. Progress is usually made in steps not leaps. You don't prevent your child from learning to crawl because it isn't the achievement of walking on two legs.
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Milspec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 08:30 PM
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58. Agree
Its a step.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 10:47 PM
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76. Wow. Very profound. I wish I could rec your post. This is the problem with...
ideologues like Kucinich. He's as pig headed as any rightwing zealot, and believes that his way is the only way. Nevermind the presidency, I seriously doubt that Kucinich could win a Senate seat in his homestate.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 09:31 PM
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79. That would be true if the bill was good. It isn't. So, its not.
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CBR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 07:03 PM
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26. I think Obama and the Dems did the right thing here. IMO. nt
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 07:40 PM
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41. Nope.
It's the other way around. Something's seriously wrong with Kooch. I love the guy but sometimes he's a bit too cute for his own good (READ: "Department of Peace"). Maybe he'll go back on FauxNews and explain his problem with the bill.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 09:49 PM
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71. Gore was lobbying hard for it. It was the best we could get. You know the saying, Don't Let the
Perfect be the Enemy of the Good. Perfect wasn't an option.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 07:17 PM
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33. Shocking, my Congresscritter (R-Naturally) voted Nay
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 07:31 PM
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38. Great, my democratic congressman
voted NO! Asshole Arcuri.
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3waygeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:41 PM
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10. I've gotten 3 e-mails on ACES passage
in the last 5 minutes, including one from Speaker Pelosi.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:49 PM
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17. Congratulate them - this was a fight nt
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:41 PM
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11. Well congratulations Democrats you have
driven the last nail in the coffin of any manufacturing job left in the USA. This bill is going to hurt the poor and middle class most and it is also the beginning of the end of Democratic control of the House.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:42 PM
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12. Oh, BS. n/t
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 07:03 PM
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25. He has a valid point.
This would be a boon for the banks, but it puts the burden on consumers and American workers.

It probably will do nothing to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

Here's a quote on CA's cap and trade:

"Under a trading scheme, 11 power plants to be built around Los Angeles could offset emissions by extracting methane from coal seams in Utah or planting trees in Manitoba," said Jane Williams of the California Communities Against Toxics, which fights pollution in low-income areas.

Planting trees in S. America to "offset" carbon from a coal burning plant in my neighborhood does nothing to help me. The fact that this bill strips the EPA of its authority under the Clean Air Act to regulate CO2 emissions from new and existing coal plants does a lot to hurt me.

Let's hope this dies in the Senate.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 07:25 PM
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35. We can only hope, this Administration has become a nightmare
for working people. You have Cap and trade that will kill manufacturing and raise electric rates through the roof. You also have people that want take about $2000 taxes from our hard earned benefits to pay for someone else's health care. What a f---g mess.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 07:42 PM
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42. Thing is...
Obama campaigned on "Green Jobs". That's exactly what this bill will produce if enacted. Sure, the manufacturing jobs of tomorrow won't look like the manufacturing jobs of yesterday. Welcome to progress.
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pot luck Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 07:46 PM
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44. Republicans have been making those exact same claims
on cable news all day. I know nothing about Cap and Trade, but because these are the Republicans' positions, I'm inclined to believe they aren't true.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 08:08 PM
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48. Well just why did my Congressman Charlie Wilson
and Dennis Kucinich vote against this mess? It's because they know what it is going to do to Ohio, it is going to be worse than NAFTA.
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pot luck Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 08:46 PM
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60. Well, I don't know why your congressman voted against it,
but Kucinich opposed it because he doesn’t think it will cut carbon emissions fast enough. He might be right, but I’ll settle for a bill that will curtail some carbon emissions over having no legislation at all. Ideological purity is all well and good, but what’s the use if nothing ever gets done?

As for your claim that this bill will raise utility costs and ship jobs over seas, the only people I see arguing this are Republicans, so I don’t buy it. It's a scare tactic by them to prevent any movement on reducing greenhouse gas emissions.


http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2009/06/kucinich_blasts_democrats_ener.html
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NYC Democrat Donating Member (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 09:55 PM
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73. Wow you just repeated pretty much every republican talking point on this bill.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:46 PM
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14. Stop reading the repuke Talking Points and the scare tactics from big energy companies
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:49 PM
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18. All this will do is ship the remaining jobs to
China and it will do absolutely nothing for global warming as a matter of fact it will make things worse.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:55 PM
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20. Straight from John Boners lips to your ears
Edited on Fri Jun-26-09 06:56 PM by Thrill
If we listened to those idiots nothing would ever be done about Global Warming
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 09:31 PM
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66. You are right.
Edited on Fri Jun-26-09 10:31 PM by invictus
Instead of burning American coal here, it will be shipped to countries with lower environmental standards and burned over there. All this bill accomplished was to raise the cost of electricity in America which will hurt manufacturing. Most so called Democrats here don't understand this. They work in service jobs and have no clue about manufacturing. Our party just screwed all American blue collar workers. It would have been smarter to subsidize cleaner sources of energy such as nuclear, wind, solar, etc. so that they can compete economically with coal and other fossil fuels. Apparently that is too smart for that disgusting bunch who represent us in Congress.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:58 PM
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23. Not all big energy companies. A few recognize that climate change is real and human impact is real.
Not that these companies are without sin, but they signed on to the Climate Action Partnership two years ago.

USCAP Members Include:

* AES

* BP America

* ConocoPhillips

* Duke Energy

* Exelon Corporation

* FPL Group

* NRG Energy

* PG&E Corporation

* Shell

http://www.us-cap.org /
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 07:07 PM
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28. So you're not a Democrat? n/t
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 07:19 PM
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34. My Congressman is a Democrat and Dennis Kucinch
is a Democrat and they both opposed Cap and Trade. You are probably right next election I probably won't be.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 07:29 PM
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37. Great. So you'd prefer a Repub.? Maybe Palin?
Edited on Fri Jun-26-09 07:30 PM by jenmito
Do you support Obama NOW? You talked about "Democrats" which you separated yourself from.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 07:37 PM
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40. So since I don't support shipping our
remaining jobs out of the country I'm a Republican? Do I support Obama? All I can say is I thought he was better than the Republican alternative at the time now I'm not so sure about that.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 07:50 PM
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45. Why are you answering my question with another question?
You talked about Dems. from the position of being outside the party. Others already addressed your comment about shipping our jobs overseas. If you don't support Obama you shouldn't even BE here. :eyes:
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 08:04 PM
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47. Yes and others agreed with me about shipping our jobs
overseas including my Congressman Charlie Wilson and also everyone's favorite liberal Dennis Kucinich. So if I don't agree with Obama on everything I shouldn't be here, gee I may as well move to Iran. Obama was who I was stuck with so I considered the alternative and voted for him. So now I must support him even when he is shipping my own job to China.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 08:12 PM
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50. Where do you get THAT from?
Who said you have to agree with Obama on everything? You talked about Dems. as if you AREN'T one and you said you're not so sure Obama's better than the Repub. he ran against adding you may not vote for him in '12. Why do you repeat Boehner's talking points?
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 08:19 PM
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54. Well apparently you think I should agree with everything.
Sometimes some Republicans are right about some things. Boehner is from Ohio and he knows the impact this bill will have on his state. You may not like him but I think he does what he thinks is right for his state, in this case I agree with him 100 %. What about Dennis is he now a right wing nut case?
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 08:22 PM
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55. Dennis wants the bill to go FURTHER in reducing pollution.
Edited on Fri Jun-26-09 08:23 PM by SemiCharmedQuark
Two completely different reasons for opposing it.

"Representative Dennis Kucinich, an Ohio Democrat, said the bill’s proposed limits on emissions from coal plants and other polluters are too weak.

“Instead of talking about saving ourselves, we are talking about saving the coal industry,” Kucinich said. "

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aBt3Wg_2GT8g

Nothing to do with jobs.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 08:24 PM
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56. So you read his mind? He can say whatever he wants
but the simple fact is if he voted for this bill he would be ran out of Cleveland on the first bus.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 08:25 PM
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57. No, I read the official statements that he makes concerning his positions. YOU are the one trying
Edited on Fri Jun-26-09 08:27 PM by SemiCharmedQuark
to tie his reasoning to Boehners. So either you are calling him a liar and a fraud, or he is telling the truth and his opposition comes from believing the bill needs to be stronger.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #54
62. So you agree with Boehner 100% in this case?! Case closed. n/t
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:02 AM
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80. ...
Leadership also assured Members such as Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio) on Friday that regional issues would continue to be refined in conference committee with the Senate. Kaptur and dozens of other Members have complained that other regions of the country already get excessive energy subsidies.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 08:16 PM
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51. Kucinich didn't vote for it because it didn't go far enough, not because of jobs.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 08:18 PM
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52. The poster seems to be listening to Boehner-not Kucinich. n/t
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 08:58 PM
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63. I e-mailed my Congressman thanking him for opposing
this job killing tax bill. Now I must write my Senators asking for their help defeating this job killing tax bill.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 09:22 PM
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65. You don't even know WHY he opposed it. You should write a letter thanking Boehner since
you agree with him 100%.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 09:31 PM
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67. My Congressman is Charlie Wilson and he
opposed it because of the job killing of Cap and Trade tax. I can't vote for Boehner. As far as Kucinich is concerned I don't give a damn why he claims he voted against it, the fact is he did and that's all that counts.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 09:39 PM
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68. HAHAHAHA! Have you already forgotten your post:
"Yes and others agreed with me about shipping our jobs

overseas including
my Congressman Charlie Wilson and also everyone's favorite liberal Dennis Kucinich."
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 09:43 PM
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69. Like I said I don't care why Dennis Kucinich claims he voted
against it, he did that's all that matters. Thanks Dennis for helping to save our jobs.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 09:49 PM
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70. No. That's what you're saying NOW. Earlier you said both your congressman
and "everyone's favorite liberal Dennis Kucinich" agreed with you about shipping our jobs overseas.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 09:52 PM
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72. Tell me why this won't ship our jobs overseas
and just how it will help stop global warming.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 09:57 PM
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74. Nice move ignoring your own words. Anyway, read this:
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 10:02 PM
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75. That doesn't tell me how it stops global warming
or why it doesn't ship jobs overseas.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:52 AM
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82. Thank God you can't vote for Boehner. I'm in his district...
and take serious issue with your statement that he represents the best interests here. He defended Delphi when they were stealing pensions, then turned around and cheered on GM's demise. Basically just shat on one of the major sources of employment in his district.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 07:33 PM
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39. Bullshit..
deadender.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:46 PM
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15. The full bill has been around since the beginning of the month. It's just this 300 page amendment
that Boner (intentionally mispelled) is whining and crying about.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:57 PM
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21. This piecemeal approach worries me.
I don't think this legislation will have as strong an impact on employment as the naysayers claim, but it WILL cost jobs.

Environmental concerns need to be addressed, but only as part of a comprehensive package that ensures that the negative impacts of this legislation are minimized...and that isn't happening.


It's like building a house and deciding that since you want wall-to-wall carpet, you'll install it as soon as you can....whether or not the roof has been built.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 07:15 PM
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32. Our largest employer a steel mill is currently
shut down, me and over 2000 others are laid off I have almost 40 years service. If the Cap and Trade is signed into law my mill will never reopen. You can't make steel with a solar panel, but by golly the Chinese will and damn your global warming. If we get into a war with N. Korea where are we going to get our steel, China? This bill will actually worsen the CO2 problem, the Chinese will use our coal the hell with the environment. All we can hope for now is that it can be stopped in the Senate. I am a Union man and the Democratic party with NAFTA and Cap and Trade have done more to destroy our jobs than any Republican has. To think the f----ing Union pushed us to vote for Obama.
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DatManFromNawlins Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 08:46 PM
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59. Unless they are going to include a gigantic tax cut with this bill
It is going to absolutely damage this party's hold on both the House and the Senate in future elections. People will remember that the bill essentially did nothing but raise the price of goods and energy.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 08:50 PM
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61. Amen n/t
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 07:08 PM
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29. K&R
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 08:02 PM
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46. Here's another article on it..
<snip>>>

A few who said they had not made up their minds were “tapped on the shoulder” and taken in to speak to the president, Walz said. Other Democrats at that meeting included Steve Kagen of Wisconsin, Ron Klein of Florida, Baron P. Hill and Joe Donnelly of Indiana, Yvette D. Clarke of New York and Betty Sutton of Ohio.

Luau at the White House
By early afternoon, the president himself had stepped in. Bowing to requests from bill supporters to throw his own popularity behind the legislation, Obama delivered a speech urging fence-sitters to support the bill.

“We cannot be afraid of the future, and we can’t be prisoners of the past,” Obama said. “We’ve been talking about this issue for decades, and now is the time to act.”

The president hosted a Hawaiian-style luau for lawmakers Thursday evening on the south lawn of the White House, providing an opportunity to cajole lingering undecideds over spit-roasted pork and pineapple.

Butterfield called the timing of the White House social event “very helpful.”

Former Vice President Al Gore, whose efforts to publicize the risks of global warming won him both an Oscar and a Nobel Peace Prize, had been scheduled to address a Democratic whip session on the bill Thursday afternoon. Pelosi, D-Calif., canceled the event, with Democratic aides explaining that Gore could be more effective calling lawmakers individually.

<more>>>
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?parm1=5&docID=news-000003154174

Didn't work with my democratic congressman, mike arcuri..
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 08:10 PM
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49. Thanks
Wonder if the pessimists are going to call Gore a sellout?

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 08:19 PM
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53. Gore deserves
respect and so does our Planet. We're going to do this without the pessimists. They never help anything.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 09:14 PM
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64. Exactly.
And I love Al Gore and always will for all the crap he has taken to highlight climate change.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 04:27 AM
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77. Lots of hot air in this thread, for a bill that is DOA in the Senate. nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 09:29 PM
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78. A lot more information
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GivePeaceAchance Donating Member (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 08:51 AM
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81. Glad it passed but so very strange there is any opposition to human survival...
Edited on Sun Jun-28-09 08:52 AM by GivePeaceAchance
The evidence is so striking and blatant that something has to be done. For a persons own well being they'd surely support it, thankfully it's a nice hot summer to help it's passage. Easier to be a denier in the winter when the Earth is tilted form the sun.
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