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Sweet and Spicy Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 01:07 PM
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What a lame denial by the White House of the Washington Post/Pro Publica story
Edited on Sat Jun-27-09 01:11 PM by Sweet and Spicy
This is how lame the denial by the White House to The Atlantic of today's Washington Post/Pro Publica story is.

What makes the Ambinder story irrelevant is the fact that the denial was already reported in the Washington Post/Pro Publica story itself. The article states that
"White House spokesman Ben Labolt said that there is no executive order" and that the administration has not decided to issue one.

Go ahead, read it yourself: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/26/AR2009062603361.html?hpid=topnews

But the story doesn't claim that a decision was made. The claim is that the Obama administration is crafting language for an executive order" to detain some terrorism suspects indefinitely.

Some are treating a breaking news Marc Ambinder's non-breaking "news" that I now quote:

Ambinder: Ben LaBolt, an Obama spokesperson, flatly denied the report to me. "There is no executive order. There just isn't one."


What is it about the Ambinder's passage that changes what is stated in the original WP/PP story? No one said there is an executive order completed.

http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/06/obama_moving_towards_detention_order.php
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 01:12 PM
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1. Funnily enough, I think it's lame when 'sources' post crap
that isn't true. But I sure don't hear you criticizing them.
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Sweet and Spicy Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 01:17 PM
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2. Why didn't the spokesman deny that language is being crafted
for the executive order in question? judging by the spokesman's failure to do so, it looks like "sources" have a good case.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 01:18 PM
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3. Deny the language in an executive order that doesn't exist?
Also, they should prove that Obama is not beating is wife, I suppose. right? :shrug:
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Sweet and Spicy Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 01:26 PM
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5. Nobody said the executive order exists
You are doing the same thing the WH spokesman did: Set up a strawman.

If the spokesman states that nobody has "crafted language" to that effect, then the NYT writers could defend themselves by proving that such language has been crafted. But the spokesman won't go there.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 01:45 PM
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11. WTF?! This is straight from the WH, and the spokesman spoke clearly.
That's why the spokesman wasn't about to "parse words" they stated specifically, because obviously you didn't read:

For what it's worth, administration officials say that the story seems to overwrite something that is common knowledge, that President Obama hasn't decided on a course of action yet, and that the task force he appointed to figure out these issues is weeks away from presenting its recommendations to the White House.


There is no draft of an executive order because the task force has not come back with any recommendation because the task force is weeks away from presenting recommendations. I think you need to focus on what's being said. All there is is that things are on the table...but nothing is written or in some sort of "draft" or there's some faux building support, because there's nothing done yet. And that's coming from the White House...not some unsubstantiated news source that is making statements on a speech on May 21, 2009.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 01:21 PM
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4. Yep, anti-Obama NO MATTER WHAT
I should open a 24/7 crow buffet
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 01:32 PM
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6. Oh, you again!
To think I thought I misjudged you.

:rofl:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 01:41 PM
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9. miss let's not get into primary wars...as IF some of us are THAT shallow...
Edited on Sat Jun-27-09 01:43 PM by blm
heheh....never give THAT crowd the benefit of the doubt, sandnsea. They are NOT on our side the way many of us would wish. And they always prove it eventually.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 01:46 PM
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13. But why are there so many fo them at once?! n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 01:50 PM
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16. Flea and tick season.
They thrive around deer and PUMAs apparently.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 01:37 PM
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7. Great just what we needed more anti Obama spam masters


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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 01:41 PM
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Sweet and Spicy Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 01:46 PM
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12. DU rule: "Do not draw negative attention to the fact that someone is new, has a low post count"
Thanks.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 01:47 PM
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14. How about if we just skip welcoming you back. Is that allowed? n/t
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 02:33 PM
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18. Kinda hard not to call you out when you're flogging a horse that's dead and decaying, Sparky.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 01:44 PM
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10. Lame is mysterious "senior administration officials" who live in fear of seeing their name in print.
Edited on Sat Jun-27-09 01:46 PM by JTFrog
Before todays' so-called journalists had to create news out of thin air to generate a paycheck, journalists used to always question a source's motives before promising anonymity. Credibility means nothing to them these days.

And basing an entire argument on these anonymous sources does nothing to enhance your own credibility.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 01:47 PM
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15. +1. n/t
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Baltoman991 Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 01:55 PM
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17. What's lame
is you attempt to drum up drama where this is none. Kinda like Republicans do on a daily basis.

Carry on with your Obama hate.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 02:36 PM
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19. You're talkin' to
a dead spice.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 02:39 PM
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20. Oh, my. Looks like she ran out of thyme.
:evilgrin:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 02:41 PM
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21. Oh gawd..
That's perfect..that is all. lol:D
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 02:51 PM
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22. the living dead...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=242107
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