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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 01:21 AM
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Thread to support President Obama's call for the restoration of the rightful Honduran government
President Obama, unlike all his predecessors, is doing the right thing in response to a Latin American military coup. Let's back the man up on this!

YES WE CAN!
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 01:53 AM
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1. Obama said it was an OAS decision.
OAS has now made that decision: that the deposed president must be re-installed. Let's urge our President to say likewise!
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 02:15 AM
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6. This link proves Obama opposes the coup
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 01:54 AM
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2. Not a military coup.
Nice try, though.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 02:07 AM
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3. It's a coup
Edited on Mon Jun-29-09 02:11 AM by Ken Burch
And when the military arrests the elected civilian president, it's a military coup.

Stop defending right-wing takeovers.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 02:11 AM
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4. Congress, the Constitution, and the Courts disagree.
That's 3 "C's"

The only thing he has going for him is unitary executive power.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 02:13 AM
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5. The same unholy trinity that killed democracy in Chile
Those institutions are controlled by the elite in Honduras.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 02:24 AM
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8. Honduras has an "anti-dictator" constitution.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 06:17 AM
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10. It's "anti-dictatorial" to kill presidential candidates?
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 10:33 AM
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13. Can you define fascism please?
Edited on Mon Jun-29-09 10:42 AM by Oregone
And how does it specifically relate to this coup?
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 06:38 AM
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11. "Those institutions are controlled by the elite in Honduras."
Oh OK. I see now. The President has political views that you support. So the fact that he was acting in violation of the law, according to the Congress, the Constitution, and the Courts, doesn't matter because

a) The Congress isn't leftist enough for you
b) The Courts aren't leftist enough for you
c) The Constitution isn't leftist enough for you
d) The duly-enacted law is invalid because it doesn't support leftist outcomes
e) The concept of the "rule of law" is also invalid because it doesn't support leftist outcomes

Pat Buchanan recently said the following on Hardball:

"I think a devoutly Christian, conservative, traditionalist country, even if it's a monarchy, is fine with me."

From reading your replies in your other thread about this, it seems that you would agree with that statement, if you replace "devoutly Christian conservative traditionalist" with leftist (or some other word that describes your political views).
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 07:45 AM
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12. Wrong. What I do believe is that military coups are always wrong.
And Honduran politics has traditionally been controlled by the elite. Does the term "demonstration election" mean anything to you?

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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 11:24 AM
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14. Why are you giving the Honduran political class the benefit of the doubt?
The whole constitutional arrangement there was created to appease the military and keep them in the barracks. Why shouldn't a document like that be torn up?

YOu can't honestly believe that there could be a legitimate justification of military takeovers of power.

The truth is, most of Honduras is poor.

Most Hondurans aren't represented in the existing political arrangements.

The term "Liberal Party" is meaningless in the American sense, referring simply to one group of political aristocrats squaring off against the other in contests for power in name(since the Liberal and Conservative parties in Latin American countries agree on all major issues).
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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 02:16 AM
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7. He has more than the unitary executive on his side:
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 02:28 AM
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9. Kissenger would be proud.
40-50 years later, and we can still justify over-riding a nation's constitution.
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