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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 03:52 PM
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I liked Obama's speech on GLBT issues and I am feeling a little better about him on this subject.
Edited on Mon Jun-29-09 04:10 PM by ZombieHorde
I am happy he reaffirmed his promises to further civil rights in the U.S.

eta the word "am".
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 03:55 PM
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1. I'm sure the Freepers are freaked out right now. They didn't see any
leather chaps, whips, or S&M stuff in that room. They can't believe that GLBT people are as normal as apple pie.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 04:02 PM
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4. They expected The Blue Oyster Bar


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mikiturner Donating Member (581 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 04:14 PM
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6. LOL classic
I can hear the music in my head.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 04:29 PM
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12. LOL! Damn you!
Taking me back to my "mullet era"...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 03:57 PM
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2. It was very emotional
for me..I loved that heartfelt speech!
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 03:58 PM
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3. Good to hear....
... and hopefully more of us will agree w/you.

As I said in another thread, the text of his speech should be stickied at the top of this board.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 04:13 PM
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5. Along with his actual actions n/t
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choie Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 04:24 PM
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8. exactly..
Obama knows how to make a moving speech - actions are another story.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 04:25 PM
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9. I agree, and we should include today's leadership on this issue.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 06:22 PM
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16. Well it's here
along with a link to a blog post from out Deputy Director, Brian Bond.

http://www.obama-mamas.com/blog/?p=296
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 04:24 PM
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7. K & R in Solidarity n/t
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 04:26 PM
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10. Thanks for posting, ZombieHorde.
You put a smile on my face. :hug:
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 04:29 PM
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11. 1 more rec,
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 05:46 PM
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13. Talk's cheap. nt
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 06:12 PM
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14. I agree! He has to be held accountable.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 06:14 PM
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15. What isn't?
:(
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 07:20 PM
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17. His speech was not just talk, it involved a degree of leadership. nt
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 07:57 PM
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18. What changed after the speech? nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 08:00 PM
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19. The OP's opinion. Is that enough? n/t
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 08:27 PM
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20. No. Is Lt. Choi still going to be court-martialed? Is DOMA going to be repealed?
How about DADT?

Did he advocate these things?
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 09:13 PM
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25. Yes, he did advocate these things. nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 09:14 PM
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26. "Did he advocate these things?" Yes. n/t
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 09:13 PM
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24. He gave his administration a time line, albeit a long one.
I believe he stated he would prove himself by the end of his first term.

Hopefully Obama's leadership skills started a spark in Congress.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 03:21 AM
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31. Did LBJ tell Dr. KIng to wait until the end of 1968 for a civil rights bill?
Did Truman said that he would wait to integrate the military?
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 03:25 AM
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32. Who cares, congress has already started working on the bill to end DADT.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 03:31 AM
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33. Just like it has a bill for Single Payer, HR 676
Edited on Tue Jun-30-09 03:31 AM by IndianaGreen
and neither of them are going anywhere.

Let me know when Obama comes out in public to push for this legislation.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 03:32 AM
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34. He did today. nt
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 12:51 PM
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53. Truman did wait
He was President in 1945 and signed the Executive Order to integrate the military in 1948.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 08:49 PM
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23. Obama said the same thing. Did you watch it?
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Jackeens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 08:29 PM
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21. Thrilled to hear you were encouraged by the speech, ZombieHorde.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 08:48 PM
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22. K&R. The military man who went there and spoke to Obama, Lt. Col. Victor Fahrenbach, was on
Edited on Mon Jun-29-09 08:58 PM by jenmito
Rachel's show tonight (Alison Stewart subbing) and he spoke to Obama and said he now has hope for the first time. He believed Obama when he looked him in the eye and explained to him about repealing DADT.
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Veruca Salt Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 07:11 PM
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55. I'm glad! And I hope that when it as all said and done
and DADT repealed (as I know it shall be), that he is reinstated as are all (if they want it) of our fine service men and women who have been discharged for just being who they are.
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aaaaaa5a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 09:37 PM
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27. It's only been 6 months! NT
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 12:01 AM
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28. Sorry, ZombieHorde...
I'll believe in progress when I see it being made. Pretty words and flowery speeches we've gotten so many times in the past, from men other than Mr. Obama, that I find it very difficult to believe any politician. I truly hope that Mr. Obama will be different, but once bitten and all that.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 03:08 AM
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29. I understand, no apology needed. nt
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 06:56 AM
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36. Would you say the same of a president's announcement of a policy agenda?
It seems to me that the speech is not just flowery words but an actual agenda and plan of action.

If you believed it was an agenda and plan, would that make you more confident?
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 10:58 AM
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50. When I see it actively worked toward, perhaps...
Until that time I remember the people who came before him who made promises they could not deliver upon.

Do not get me wrong, I honestly hope for the best, but I'll plan for the worst.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 08:09 AM
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37. "Once bitten"
Obama not only agrees with you; he said it in his speech. And, he's the only one that has ever promised to accomplish these types of goals for the GLBT community. That's pretty important, considering he's the POTUS.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 03:18 AM
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30. Benjamin Franklin: Well done is better than well said.
Remember, people will judge you by your actions, not your intentions. You may have a heart of gold - but so does a hard-boiled egg. ~Author Unknown

http://www.quotegarden.com/action.html

Here, take another placebo!
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 06:54 AM
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35. It takes a lot of integrity to publicly shift positions on DU
Edited on Tue Jun-30-09 06:54 AM by HamdenRice
even "a little".

:hi:
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 08:22 AM
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38. Actions speak.
Speeches aren't going to do it for me.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 08:33 AM
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39. You don't see reaching out and inviting the GLBT community to the WH as "actions"?
It's a lot more than any other President has ever done for the GLBT community.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 08:53 AM
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43. If he also moves to repeal DADT, sure.
If not, then it's a sop to silence the angry.

Context matters.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 09:26 AM
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48. Who's trying to silence the angry?
And, he explained that he IS moving to repeal DADT. It's not my problem if you refuse to believe him.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 09:30 AM
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49. I think he or she meant "silence" in the sense of "placate" or "mollify".
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 10:59 AM
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51. Again, actions, rather than words, are what counts.
It doesn't matter whether I "believe" his words or not.

What matters is what he does. If he repeals dadt, then his words mean something. If not, then they don't.

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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 06:08 PM
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54. Clinton repeatedly invited gays to the White House
so no, Obama didn't do more than all previous Presidents.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 08:35 AM
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40. Nothing's changed. Those who like Obama are glad he re-affirmed his committment...
Those who don't like Obama just say "it's all talk".

Nothing has changed.
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Baltoman991 Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 08:46 AM
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41. You're exactly
right!!! Nothing the man does is going to be good enough for those who have been against him from day one. Oh well, his speech was well received so I'm guessing that many more in the GLBT community will work with him than not.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 08:50 AM
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42. Yup
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 09:02 AM
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44. You'll get a couple of liars
(yeah I called them that) who claimed that they were supporters but then were "let-down" by Obama. That's code for "I never liked him anyway and I wanted Hillary to win"
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 09:03 AM
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45. More than a couple, but yah.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 09:07 AM
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46. they make those melodramatic posts
"I had such high hopes for him and he dissapointed me and blah blah fucking blah and now I'll never trust him again" Ugh :eyes:

You start wondering do they expect their relatives and friends to act as quickly as they want them to?
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 08:38 PM
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56. You hit the head of that nail so hard it's broken in two
That's code for "I never liked him anyway and I wanted Hillary to win"

TRUTH.
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 09:07 AM
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47. Exactly.
If Obama affirmed opposition to the issue, all hell would break loose. I bet it wouldn't be 'just talk' anymore.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 11:33 AM
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52. Perhaps DU has not changed, and perhaps I am being overly optimistic,
but I am hoping the leadership Obama demonstrated on this issue will bring the desired change within the time line he gave himself. Congress is already working on repealing DADT according to my TV.

I know Obama is against gay marriage, and I still hold that against him, but I have to admit that he is finally moving on the other civil rights issues he promised. I was starting to believe he lied about his true civil rights position.
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