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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 07:20 AM
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Andrew Sullivan and Frank Rich serve up a couple of tasty pieces on the Palin / GOP clownshow today.
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 07:22 AM by jefferson_dem
Palin leads the right into a reality TV vortex
The Alaska governor’s resignation shows how shallow Republicans have become
Andrew Sullivan

Writing about Sarah Palin always presents a quandary. Does one operate under the usual assumption that this is a rational figure, a serious politician, a rising Republican star . . . or do you acknowledge the copious evidence that she cannot tell the truth, has delusions of grandeur, has no policy record to speak of and quit her job as Alaska governor halfway through her first term because she is, in her own explanation, “not a quitter”? I think that you have to proceed under the assumption that this is a joke of a candidate and a symptom of a political party in the middle of a mental breakdown.

<SNIP>

The reality of Sarah Palin is that politics is a means to her higher goal: celebrity. Every action she takes is designed to make sense . . . if you believe that government is really a version of a reality show. The remote, David Lynch-style location, the family often in trouble with the law, the pregnant teenage daughter and her impossibly handsome redneck boyfriend, the boyfriend’s angry sister, an ornery Alaskan trooper, a few moose and mysterious pregnancies . . . and, well, the mini-series never ends. The best guess I’ve heard of the real reason for her abrupt departure is: “I’m a celebrity . . . get me out of here!”

<SNIP>

And this helps explain the broader problem with American conservatism right now. It is less a movement than an industry. From Fox News to talk radio to conservative publishing houses, it has created an alternate and lucrative media reality that is worth a fortune to those able to exploit it. Alas, these alternative media thrive on paranoia, hatred of liberal elites and growing extremist rhetoric made worse by a hermetically sealed echo chamber of true believers. Anyone criticised by the left or even by the establishment right is a martyr in this world. In America, martyrdom sells. And Palin is a product worth lots of money.

She wants some of it; and she has no actual interest in governing America (even though she’d love the title of president). She referred to giving up her “title” as governor, not her “office”. In this, she is the ultimate Republican of this degenerate moment: all culture war, no policy; all identity politics, no engagement with practical answers to difficult public problems; and all hysterical opposition to Barack Obama, no actual alternatives offered.

Since even epic scandals heighten celebrity rather than diminish it, Palin’s future is secure. Her party’s? Getting bleaker by the day.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6688848.ece


She Broke the G.O.P. and Now She Owns It
By FRANK RICH

SARAH PALIN and Al Sharpton don’t ordinarily have much in common, but they achieved a rare harmonic convergence at Michael Jackson’s memorial service. When Sharpton told the singer’s children it was their daddy’s adversaries, not their daddy, who were “strange,” he was channeling the pugnacious argument the Alaska governor had made the week before. There was nothing strange about her decision to quit in midterm, Palin told America. What’s strange — or “insane,” in her lingo — are the critics who dare question her erratic behavior on the national stage.

<SNIP>

That’s why Palin won’t go gently into the good night, much as some Republicans in Washington might wish. She is not just the party’s biggest star and most charismatic television performer; she is its only star and charismatic performer. Most important, she stands for a genuine movement: a dwindling white nonurban America that is aflame with grievances and awash in self-pity as the country hurtles into the 21st century and leaves it behind. Palin gives this movement a major party brand and political plausibility that its open-throated media auxiliary, exemplified by Glenn Beck, cannot. She loves the spotlight, can raise millions of dollars and has no discernible reason to go fishing now except for self-promotional photo ops.

The essence of Palinism is emotional, not ideological. Yes, she is of the religious right, even if she winks literally and figuratively at her own daughter’s flagrant disregard of abstinence and marriage. But family-values politics, now more devalued than the dollar by the philandering of ostentatiously Christian Republican politicians, can only take her so far. The real wave she’s riding is a loud, resonant surge of resentment and victimization that’s larger than issues like abortion and gay civil rights.

<SNIP>

These are the cries of a constituency that feels disenfranchised — by the powerful and the well-educated who gamed the housing bubble, by a news media it keeps being told is hateful, by the immigrants who have taken some of their jobs, by the African-American who has ended a white monopoly on the White House. Palin is their born avatar. She puts a happy, sexy face on ugly emotions, and she can solidify her followers’ hold on a G.O.P. that has no leaders with the guts or alternative vision to stand up to them or to her.

<SNIP>

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/opinion/12rich.html?ref=opinion
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 07:27 AM
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1. good stuff
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:15 AM
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2. Great quote
a dwindling white nonurban America that is aflame with grievances and awash in self-pity as the country hurtles into the 21st century and leaves it behind


That just about sums it up
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:27 AM
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3. Those both made me smile. Thank you.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:32 AM
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4. Stating the obvious can be truly enlightening
What Sarah Palin symbolizes is the rage of the mentally mediocre.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:37 AM
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5. Maybe we should be kinder to them, so that they don't feel that rage. And of course never ever let
them near any power.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:12 AM
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6. Some well deserved new a$$ holes being righteously ripped in those articles
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 10:12 AM by HughMoran
All I can say at this point is "K&R!!"
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southernyankeebelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:54 AM
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7. Wow they both got it right on the nose.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 12:46 PM
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8. The 3rd paragraph you posted of Sullivan's piece is a brilliant....
assessment of current day American Conservatism, and deserves a re-post

"And this helps explain the broader problem with American conservatism right now. It is less a movement than an industry. From Fox News to talk radio to conservative publishing houses, it has created an alternate and lucrative media reality that is worth a fortune to those able to exploit it. Alas, these alternative media thrive on paranoia, hatred of liberal elites and growing extremist rhetoric made worse by a hermetically sealed echo chamber of true believers. Anyone criticised by the left or even by the establishment right is a martyr in this world. In America, martyrdom sells. And Palin is a product worth lots of money."
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 12:48 PM
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9. You're right; that is brilliant
deadly accurate
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 12:52 PM
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10. Andrew Sullivan's critiques of Sarah Palin
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 12:54 PM by Blue_In_AK
have been extremely accurate. I've really enjoyed the way he's eviscerated her. Frank Rich accurately assesses the danger she presents. I've always said here that while it's really fun to laugh and mock Sarah (she's such an easy target) the emotions she arouses in her followers are truly dangerous and not to be ignored. She is a threat, and she will not be disappearing back to the home that the Sports Center built but will be in our faces, whether we want her to be or not, for the foreseeable future.

I hope I'm wrong.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 01:22 PM
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12. I absolutely agree and
can only hope the current fascination burns out before she can cause anymore real damage.

Are you and alot of the people of Alaska happy she's gone from there, almost?

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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 01:32 PM
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13. Yes.
Very happy. Everyone I know is thrilled -- of course, all the people I know and hang out with are progressives like me. :)

I've heard that there are many people in the Wasilla area who are furious with the governor for quitting. That was where her strongest support came from and they feel like she has really let them down.

Of course, her popularity ratings have been dropping like a rock here since last summer. Some feel that she got out ahead of the next polls which would have shown even more of a plummet. Even going from an 85% approval rating to 54% in less than a year is pretty dramatic. Most people here were put off by the extreme partisanship she showed on the campaign trail. That was not the way she presented herself here in the first 1-1/2 years of her governorship.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 01:43 PM
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15. As we and others know..
palin does what's good for palin without a moral compass impeding her.

But, that important ingredient missing in a being is what's going to come back and bite her depraved ass in the end.

It would be cool if there's a good person waiting in the wings to win the 2010 Governorship in Alaska!
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 02:51 PM
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16. A little more about how Alaskans feel
Phil Munger has an excellent piece at Progressive Alaska this morning wherein he quotes in full an editorial from the Fairbanks News Miner, one of Alaska's most conservative newspapers. They are NOT amused. http://progressivealaska.blogspot.com/2009/07/saradise-lost-found-chapter-five-palin.html Also be very sure to watch the video clip at the end of Phil's post. It is HILARIOUS.



<SNIP>

I also think Gov. Palin wouldn’t and won’t meet with us, or most any other media outlet that doesn’t express adulation over her, because she wants to preserve her “media victim” image as much as possible.

To regularly interact with editorial boards and to engage in substantive discussions with journalists and commentators who could challenge her ideas could undercut that self-made “victim” status.


And if she really is a “media victim,” shouldn’t she be lambasting the editors and journalists directly, in face-to-face meetings or in on-the-record interviews? That’s what other politicians and state leaders regularly do.

As for me, if the governor had specific complaints with the Daily News-Miner, I didn’t hear about them.

It’s worth noting that she did find time to talk to several News-Miner editors about the issues, for two hours, back in 2006 while she was campaigning for governor.

That seems like a long time ago now.

We haven’t changed much since then, but she sure has.

Rod Boyce is managing editor of the Fairbanks Daily News-Miner. http://newsminer.com/news/2009/jul/11/palin-dodged-open-discussion/?opinion
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 04:04 PM
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17. Thanks, Blue..
Very very interesting..

I made the mistake of clicking on tammy bruce's video until her shrieking "Liberals are ruining America!"..whatever.. made me snap it off!

What a representive to have on "sarahpac":silly:

I need to go out..when I get back I'll catch the video I was suppose to.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 04:11 PM
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19. Don't miss it.
It's extremely funny.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 05:27 PM
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22. Just what I needed as an antidote to the
palin poison. "She's crazy alright, crazy like a rabid beaver"!

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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 04:35 PM
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20. I've never really come out and said what I first thought
when Palin was introduced on the scene. And to do so, even now, would be misunderstood by many.

Suffice it to say, I was willing to mock her because being a target of mockery can often render the person politically impotent. And I would very much like to see that happen to Palin.

I never laughed her off, as so many urged me to do.

She struck fear into my solar plexus like no other politician has ever done. No other human being in my lifetime, in fact.

This is why I write about her and follow her "policies" or failure thereof.

Many accused those of us who sensed the danger of needing to get over it, esp after the election. I don't blame them for feeling that way (god knows I'm sick of her), but to me she has always represented the next step in the Bush agenda. The NEXT step.

She is not like bush, she is not just a drunk puppet trying to win daddy's love.

she has charisma and the ability to make angry people drool with self-righteous pity and indignation.

The vacuum a depression offers is a ripe opportunity for a "leader" like Palin.

Sinclair wasn't off base at all, in my humble opinion.

I laugh at Sarah Palin so I don't have to cry over the truth that somehow, this person was treated as a viable candidate for VP and is now being discussed as possible Presidential material by the MSM.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 07:31 PM
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23. You and I share the same brain as far as SP is concerned.
What did I miss below? Deleted message, name removed. Someone didn't like what I said?
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:28 PM
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27. I missed the deleted post
Edited on Sun Jul-12-09 09:28 PM by CitizenPatriot
but yeah, we've seen eye to eye on this subject.

She's passing her mutant American version Poujadism phase and heading right for....
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 08:24 PM
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26. You were right on about those gut feelings.
She is dangerous and we must never underestimate people like her.

What was the one thing that the unknown Hitler in the early 1930's had?

"Quirky Charisma".

I would rather know what she is doing than not know.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:34 PM
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29. exactly.
he had a small following...had a knack for stirring up the anger of the disenfranchised and focusing it like a laser on a certain ethnic group....

As a culture, we throw that out as a basic insult so often that it's lost the impact it should have. When it comes to SP, I believe in my gut that she is a destructive force with the power to unleash great ugliness and harm -- the beginnings of which we saw during her rallies.

I will not be tolerant of her kind of hate and racism, no matter how many of my liberal friends tell me I should. On this subject, I listen to my instincts. Several of my friends who thought I was over-reacting to her during the election are now calling me going, "what? I thought she was going to go away..."

I wish they had been right.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:36 PM
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30. I've said the same since the beginning, when she was nominated by McCain.
I've never blown her off or posted the rolling-on-the-floor-laughing icon when it comes to Sarah Palin. In fact, I've endured more than my fair share of ridicule for advising caution around her - she's crazy like a fox. She has cunning political (celebrity) instincts and a crazy-ass fan base.

I never underestimate the American moran vote.

The Rethug elite may be cringing (and the moderate Rethug remnants) but her "base" is exactly the traditional Rethug base they've been cultivating and wooing for decades. It's gonna take a long time to throttle that sector back - and Sarah Palin has oodles of time to exploit that craziness in the void.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 10:57 PM
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31. and Americans have been dumbed down for so long now
and after Bush, the bar is so low.

When someone compares Obama to Palin and even thinks this is an exercise that needs to occur, I am incredulous. ON what planet do these two people even bear comparing?

the average American hears her song about standing up to the good old boys (a wily narrative to disguise her utter incompetence re policy) and sees Mr Smith Goes to Washington, instead of Power Mad Moran who Wants to Take Over America and turn it into PalinCountry.

She got elected as gov with that narrative. It wasn't true then and it isn't true now, but facts are boring to many Americans. They'd much rather hear a good story.

Thanks for letting me know I'm not alone, at any rate. I'd love for us all to be wrong, and for her to be laughed out of the public eye, save a reality show on Fox, but I'm afraid even that she would use to gain fans. And fans of a power hungry nut job with her eye on the White House and her finger on the pulse of an armed and fringy base are not comforting.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:29 PM
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35. This commentator on an Alaskan blog
that Blue In AK linked upthread said.."palin is crazy..crazy like a rabid beaver".

I think it's more to the point.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 01:15 PM
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11. Andrew Sullivan comes through again..
Andrew cracks me! " ..and, well, the mini-series never ends. The best guess I’ve heard of the real reason for her abrupt departure is: “I’m a celebrity . . . get me out of here!”

America's problem is..stupid sells and palin knows what a product she's become. "She wants some of it; and she has no actual interest in governing America (even though she’d love the title of president)."
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 07:42 PM
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25. Sounds like the female version of Bush.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 01:34 PM
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14. Yeah, I wondered about her using the phrase "holding the title"
Sarah, beauty queens hold titles. Politicians hold office.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 04:09 PM
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18. Another great quote
The reality of Sarah Palin is that politics is a means to her higher goal: celebrity.

There you go.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 07:41 PM
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24. I'm liking Andy Sullivan more and more.
I don;t like his sometimes socially conservative positions but when he's right he's dead right.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 09:31 PM
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28. I agree. He warms my heart with this expose of Palin and the conservatives. I cannot
imagine he is long going to be a GOPer. I can't see anyone who sees things so clearly hanging around with the Repukes for long.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-12-09 11:07 PM
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32. Sullivan and Rich are simply brilliant and on point.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:36 AM
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33. Palin didn't "break" the GOP
Edited on Mon Jul-13-09 01:43 AM by Number23
Sure, she may have chipped in some hammers and shovels and done her part to HELP break the GOP, but she didn't do it alone.

I think GW and Cheney deserve that dubious honor a hell of a lot more than Palin does.

ETA: This is a really interesting part of the Frank Rich piece:

Were Palin actually to secure the 2012 nomination, the result would be a fiasco for the G.O.P. akin to Goldwater 1964, as the most relentless conservative Palin critic, David Frum, has predicted. Or would it? No one thought Richard Nixon — a far less personable commodity than Palin — would come back either after his sour-grapes “last press conference” of 1962. But Democratic divisions and failures gave him his opportunity in 1968.


Things that make ya go, hmmm...
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 06:28 AM
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34. "She puts a happy, sexy face on ugly emotions,"
That's it.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 10:32 PM
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36. "Palin's Final Insult" by Max Blumenthal..
<snip>>>

'Since her sudden resignation from the Alaskan governor’s office on July 3, Sarah Palin has created a constitutional crisis that could cost state legislators hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxpayers' money to resolve. Palin appointed Lt. Governor Sean Parnell to succeed her, and tapped Lt. Gen. Craig Campbell, the commissioner of the Alaskan Department of Military and Veterans Affairs, to fill Parnell’s post. However, the state legislature had already chosen someone to succeed Parnell in case of an emergency: State Corrections Commissioner Joe Schmidt. To resolve the conflict Palin created, the legislature will almost certainly have to call a special session, an event that could require at least $200,000 to administer."

<snip snip>>>

"The legislators said they would also use the special session to recover $29 million in federal stimulus grants Palin rejected in May. At the time, Gara and other lawmakers accused Palin of rejecting the money to further her national political ambitions. “I’m worried that the governor has taken this sort of national political stance, which is that she’s going to be the opposite of Barack Obama on everything,” Gara said in May. Now that Palin is on her way out, a bipartisan consensus seems to have emerged on retrieving the funding, which would enable the state to fulfill weatherization and energy-efficiency priorities."

<much more>>>
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-07-12/palins-final-insult/
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