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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:03 AM
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Ezra Klein: Ben Nelson Does Not Think You Are Paying Attention
Ben Nelson Does Not Think You're Paying Attention

Sen. Ben Nelson isn't happy about the surtax on the rich that's being proposed to fund health-care reform. But not because he doesn't like it. Rather, because his constituents won't like it.

“Tax is a four-letter word” with voters, said Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.). Even families not ranking in the top 1 percent of earners “hope they’re going to be there someday,” he said. “So they don’t necessarily think it’s fair.”

The only problem with that statement is that it isn't true. Nelson made this comment to The Washington Post. But as Jon Chait points out, a few weeks back, The Washington Post polled voters on different ideas for funding health-care reform. One of the questions asked whether you would "support or oppose raising incomes taxes on on Americans with household incomes of over $250,000 a year to help pay for health-care reform."

A solid 60 percent supported that idea. Merely 37 percent opposed it. And that's not even the idea on the table: This policy would raise taxes only on voters making more than $350,000 a year, not $250,000. Presumably, even more Americans would support it.

This is a nice example of a tic unique to legislators and particularly common with Ben Nelson: the constituent voice. Some politicians talk in the first person ("I oppose raising taxes on the rich"). Some talk in the third-person ("Bob Dole opposes raising taxes on the rich"). And then some talk in the constituent person ("Voters oppose raising taxes on the rich"). The problem with the constituent person, however, is that it's falsifiable. And in this case, it's false.

And, presumably, Nelson knows that. Taxing the rich may or may not be right, but it's not broadly unpopular. Nelson, however, isn't explaining this vote to Nebraskan voters. He's explaining it to the congressional reporters at the paper that covers Washington, D.C. And he's dodging: He's hiding behind the will of the people, even as he's betraying it. And that's the problem with the constituent voice. It's not simply used to reflect the preferences of voters. It's just as often used to hide the preferences of legislators.

By Ezra Klein
July 16, 2009; 9:41 AM ET

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/07/ben_nelson_does_not_think_your.html
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:05 AM
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1. Right-wing twit; sounds like a Thatcherite
Is he really a (D)?
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:14 AM
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2. An honest response to those people.....If you SOMEHOW
fall into the catagory of making ONE MILLION dollars a year, do you REALLY think you are going to mind paying $9000 of that in extra taxes? Hmmmmmmmmmm, a RATIONAL person thinks not.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:40 AM
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3. Oh Come on Ben. You represent Nebraska, not California.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:57 AM
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4. Rec'd~ To let Ben Nelson show
we are paying attention.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 11:49 AM
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5. Thanks, Cha. And, thanks to Ezra Klein for blogging about Ben Nelson.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 12:30 PM
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8. In my above post..change "show"
to "know":)

Yes, and thanks to Ezra Klein.
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blueworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 12:00 PM
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6. The rich get more tax deductions than you or I
The details haven't been worked out yet, but it seems as if everyone making mucho money qualifies for more tax breaks than I even knew existed. They even get to deduct their portfolio losses. I still can't afford a portfolio. If they don't want an income type tax, which will undoubtedly be deductible for them so that WE THE PEOPLE end up paying it in the long run, how do they feel about a nice fat luxury tax?

How about a special "accountability" tax on any company whose business practices cause their employees to be ill or injured or cause serious harm to the environment thus killing the rest of us?

I'm so tired of hearing about how smokers & fat people & meat eaters & couch potatoes are the source of all medical evil (and are therefore potential cash cows). How many children have Monsanto & DuPont hurt, not to mention employees...how about a nice fat tax on them?

We don't even have satisfactory health care yet & some Princeton Ying Yang in the NYT today has an article about how health care MUST be rationed to be cost effective. Heil Bioethics.

Oh, and for ol' Ben: I wouldn't object to taxing every stupid Congress critter who gets more than one TV appearance a week thus spouting excess air pollution.:rant:
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 12:19 PM
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7. Taxes help pay for Nelson's toupee, so I don't see why he's so opposed to them
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