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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 08:05 PM
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White House Discloses Meetings With Health Care Executives
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White House Discloses Meetings With Health Care Executives

By Dan Eggen

The Obama administration released Wednesday night a list of 15 health-care lobbyists and senior executives who have visited the White House to discuss health-care reform.

Guests have included Billy Tauzin of the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America; Karen Ignagni of America's Health Insurance Plans; Richard Umbdenstock of the American Hospital Association; and J. James Rohack of the American Medical Association, according to a letter from White House Counsel Gregory B. Craig. Senior executives at companies including Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson, UnitedHealth Group and Merck also visited at least once.

The list was released in response to a lawsuit filed earlier in the day by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a watchdog group, which had been denied access to the names by the U.S. Secret Service. Many of the meetings, it turned out, were well-known gatherings that had already been publicized.

The White House's decision to release the information marks another departure in policy from the Bush administration, which fought all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court to withhold the names of participants in an energy task force, run by then-vice president Richard B. Cheney, that was dominated by representatives of the oil and gas industries.

CREW said in a statement that Craig's letter "in no way" fulfills the group's request, which was for the visitor logs themselves.

"Releasing some records because it is politically expedient to do so is not transparency," the group said.

The Obama White House has made little secret of its intent to meet frequently with industry representatives in hopes of gaining their cooperation on reform efforts. One March 5 health-care summit, for example, was hosted by Obama and featured more than 150 people, including physicians, business leaders, union representatives and consumer advocates. Four of the industry group leaders on the new White House list attended that summit.

Although most of the leaders on the list visited the White House once or twice, others were more frequent guests, the letter shows. The most frequent visitor was Umbdenstock, president and CEO of the hospitals group, who met with officials or attended gatherings at the White House eight times from Feb. 4 to May 22.



"Many of the meetings, it turned out, were well-known gatherings that had already been publicized." And media photographers were in the room. LOL!





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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 08:07 PM
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1. Interesting
I guess this puts this issue to rest, though ya never know what you're going to read here.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 08:10 PM
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3. If it would put the issue to rest for you with Cheney, then i'd sell you a bridge
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 08:14 PM
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6. WTF kind of diversion to Cheney was that?
State exactly what your problem is with this release, if you indeed have one. Don't include the name Dick Cheney.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 08:20 PM
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11. we never really knew who visited cheney
I would love know
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 08:23 PM
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13. Well, yeah
Though that's not particularly relevant to what I was asking.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 08:22 PM
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12. I stand by what I said. Read the article in the OP if you have any questions and I bet you can
figure it out, probably.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 08:25 PM
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15. That was a non reply
I asked a question to YOU not the article.

You're a negative ass in all I read from you anyway, so I'm not going to waste my time with you any more. Off to the iggy pile...
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 08:27 PM
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16. is that really you?
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 08:35 PM
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19. It's a beautiful bridge and for you, cheap!
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 08:18 PM
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8. It'll put this specific issue to rest, but there will be others
For some people there won't be enough transparency until there's a webcam in the oval office and Skinner can do live blogging from the situation room.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 08:27 PM
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17. That wouldn't help either. Perhaps a webcam in the toilet?
Maybe if there was one in his rectum it would make some of the critics feel warm and cuddly? :rofl:
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 09:49 AM
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27. Chuck Berry, is that you? nt
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Redhead Irish Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 08:09 PM
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2. Kudos to CREW for applying pressure and to the White House for complying
Good move.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 08:13 PM
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4. CREW is still upset that they couldn't get Bush/Cheney to comply
The White House's decision to release the information marks another departure in policy from the Bush administration, which fought all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court to withhold the names of participants in an energy task force, run by then-vice president Richard B. Cheney, that was dominated by representatives of the oil and gas industries.

CREW said in a statement that Craig's letter "in no way" fulfills the group's request, which was for the visitor logs themselves.


There was never anything secret about the health care meetings.


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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 08:14 PM
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5. Actually the White House didn't comply. Crew wanted to see the visitor logs
But you can say they complied if you want to.
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Redhead Irish Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 08:15 PM
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7. didn't the request include videos, photos, and other electronic records?
Or something like that as well?
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 08:19 PM
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9. No wonder the secret service said no.
I'm not surprised if they were asking for videos and photos.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 08:19 PM
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10. Right in the arrticle in the OP it says
Edited on Wed Jul-22-09 08:20 PM by John Q. Citizen
CREW said in a statement that Craig's letter "in no way" fulfills the group's request, which was for the visitor logs themselves.

"Releasing some records because it is politically expedient to do so is not transparency," the group said.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 08:24 PM
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14. That wasn't the request, and CREW's latest statement proves they have another agenda
The original statement:

Reporting from Washington -- Invoking an argument used by President George W. Bush, the Obama administration has turned down a request from a watchdog group for a list of health industry executives who have visited the White House to discuss the massive healthcare overhaul.

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington sent a letter to the Secret Service asking about visits from 18 executives representing health insurers, drug makers, doctors and other players in the debate. The group wants the material in order to gauge the influence of those executives in crafting a new healthcare policy.

link


They got a list, and again the meetings were not held in secret.

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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 08:34 PM
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18. Yes, transparency and open governement is their agenda
From the link you provided, ProSense. They didn't ask for a list, they asked for the logs so they could see the frequency. As an American I'm glad CREW is doing this, just as I was glad when they helped shine light on Abramoff and sparked the media interest which led to his arrest and many of his Repo bribed lawmakers.

The Secret Service sent a reply stating that documents revealing the frequency of such visits were considered presidential records exempt from public disclosure laws. The agency also said it was advised by the Justice Department that the Secret Service was within its rights to withhold the information because of the "presidential communications privilege."

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics said it would file suit against the Obama administration as early as today. The group already has sued the administration over its failure to release details about visits from coal industry executives.

A White House spokesman, Ben LaBolt, said, "We are reviewing our policy on access to visitor logs and related litigation."

As a candidate, President Obama vowed that in devising a healthcare bill he would invite in TV cameras -- specifically C-SPAN -- so that Americans could have a window into negotiations that normally play out behind closed doors.


Sunshine is the best disinfectant!

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 08:38 PM
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20. They asked for a list. They were very specific in the opener to their statement
It's there. Go look again. This is a BS nontroversy. I agree with comments four and five here.

CREW needs to find a reason to exist.

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Redhead Irish Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 08:46 PM
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21. They also asked for audio, video, etc.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 08:58 PM
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23. That request is a month old.
Maybe Crew should just ask to be present at the meeting if they want all that in a month. The meetings aren't a secret.

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Redhead Irish Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 09:14 PM
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25. The month-old request is the only request we've all been talking about
What CREW did today was simply sue due to the non-compliance to the June 22 request. You linked to the July 22 information yourself, and you claimed that photos and videos, etc., were not part of the material requested.

Regardless of the merits of the request, it is not true that videos and audio were not part of the request.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 08:23 AM
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26. No, we've been talking about an article and release asking for a list.
Period.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 08:59 PM
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24. Good, they are thorough. i think I will send them a donation.
I want to know what my government is doing and who they are seeing and how often.

Anyone who doesn't doesn't have to.

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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 08:53 PM
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22. Thank you. The devil is in the details.
CREW said in a statement that Craig's letter "in no way" fulfills the group's request, which was for the visitor logs themselves.

"Releasing some records because it is politically expedient to do so is not transparency," the group said.


Good for CREW in staying focused.
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